dogged:
obviously where you theory falls down and where you are confused (or dishonest) is that you're trying to mix up "Australia number 1 sport" idea with the colonising idea....
dogged,
According to you, Australia's "number 1" sport is Australian Rules Football (you said so in an earlier post). You tried to marginalise Rugby League's growth in Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea by saying the only reason it is played in those regions is because of their affiliation with England.
Papua New Guinea was an Australian territory.
Therefore, I used your words to prove that IF your theory's methodology can tell us which sport is "superior", then the situation in Papua New Guinea suggests that Rugby League is the "superior" sport. You're just embarrassed because your own words have been used to prove that you don't have a clue about this subject.
I used your logic to prove that your theory is weak. The reason I used your theory is because you're too arrogant and too stubborn to accept anything else.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that your theory proves Rugby League's superiority over Australian Rules Football. In fact, I am not saying that either of the sports are superior to one another. I am just using your words to prove that your arguments are logically fallacious and factually incorrect.
dogged:
so what - PNG ends up with Ajustralian sports - like RL, aussie rules...who cares mate....
There you go again. You're unable to follow a logical sequence -- you're incapable of sticking to a subject when your argument is backed into an unwinnable position.
dogged:
perhaps the colonisers were from NSW/QLD which is liekly because by 1970s Sydney wasa far bigger colony...
The growth of Australian Rules Football in Papua New Guinea was rapid during the 1960's. Therefore, even if the game was brought to Papua New Guinea by Queenslanders and/or New South Welshmen, it doesn't negate the fact that the game of Australian Rules Football, not Rugby League, was in the stronger position.
"The sport experienced rapid growth and during the 1960s, the New Guinea National Football League ran in both Port Moresby and Lae." [6]
The southern states were affiliated with Papua New Guinea during the 1970's.
"In 1973, an Indigenous Australian side toured Papua New Guinea, led by Roger Rigney, an indigenous player from the Sturt Football Club in the SANFL"
"1977 was a historic year for Papua New Guinean footy. The year saw the first ever international matches involving Australia at under 17 level between Australia and Papua New Guinea. The Australian Under 17 squad toured Papua New Guinea, and the PNG team reciprocated in Adelaide, with Australia dominating the game and taking the honours. "
"The VFL appointed Peter Evans as full-time manager in 1978/79 he VFL appointed a full time manager for the PNG Rules Council."
dogged:
anyway you've rasied a pointless point even if you're right...
Translation: The facts do not support your biased agenda, therefore they must be suppresed, ridiculed and falsely accused of being unrelated to the subject. For the record, what I said is right.
dogged:
The more important question to ask is, "Who doesn't care"? We know that you don't as it doesn't support your agenda.
dogged:
- and in fact you've just demostrated my earlier points??,.so thank you....
Demonstrated your previous points? If you seriously think so, then you're crazier than a shithouse rat.
dogged:
look half of the NRL are polonesians aren't they?
Yes. It's good to have a talent pool outside of Australia and New Zealand. The AFL would love to have one, wouldn't they? Oh well, they'll have to stick to spreading their thin playing roster among the new teams that are about to enter their league. It will probably lead to a larger percentage of premiership round matches being uncompetitive!
dogged:
And where did they get that from - NZ and/or England ...
Your point? The fact is the Papua New Guineans were exposed to Australian Rules Football at least 3 to 4 years before they learned about Rugby League. The Papua New Guineans were introduced to Australian Rules Football by Australians. Papua New Guinea has gone on to produce many world-class Rugby League players.
Not many players in the AFL and VFL come from Papua New Guinea, do they?
dogged:
anyway enough of that - first you incorrectly claim I never answered your PNG point....then you trawl back to where I did answer it and then re-quote me and put even weaker arguments forward!!...
My arguments are logical sound and factually correct. The premisses of my arguments corrently lead to the conclusions that I have drawn from them. More importantly, they repudiate your inane assertions.
If you reckon my arguments are weak, then prove it. So far you haven't proved anything apart from your inability to follow a logical sequence.
dogged:
You do care. The fact you're still on this board is proof that you care. So stop deluding yourself and accept that this is a big deal to you.
dogged:
apart form this spec, and perhaps some little specs in the pacific, can RL actually claim it is the majot code in any country....not Aust, not UK, not NZ....actually not in any major country.....RL is always second/third string to soccer, RUnion or Aussie rule....too bad so sad....
Australian Rules Football isn't Australia's major code. It's the major code of the Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia. Rugby League is the major code of Queensland and New South Wales. Most importantly, the majority of Australia's population lives in Queensland and New South Wales; it's why the AFL is so desperate to get some sort of following in Queensland and New South Wales.
Interestlngly enough, Western Australia has taken a liking to Rugby Union. The Western Australia Rugby League (WARL) is in the initial stages of setting up a Perth-based NRL franchise by 2013. Based on this, it wouldn't surprise me if Rugby League went on to become as popular in Western Australia as Rugby League is in New South Wales and Queensland. Perth's large English community means there is a niche there for English sports such as Rugby League and Rugby Union.
For the record, the participation rate of persons from the Northern Territory playing Rugby League is higher than New South Wale's participation rate. This proves that Rugby League is fairly popular in the Northern Territory.
At least Rugby League is played to a large degree in other major countries. Australian Rules Football is a minor sport in all countries but Australia, Nauru and Papua New Guinea. Nauru's population is less than 10,000. Therefore, it cannot add a lot to the game of Australian Rules Football.
dogged:
even if in PNG RLeague did 'beat' aussie rules
Are you still unable to get over the fact that Rugby League has overtaken Australian Rules Football as Papua New Guinea's most popular sport?
dogged:
then so what - we don't know why this happened -
You're transforming from "Mr. Know-it-all" to "Mr. Plays-dumb-when-he-cannot-win-an-argument".
dogged:
So you are a conspiracy theorist. You think there's a conspiracy among the Papua New Guinean Football League, the Papua New Guinean Federal Government, and every other source that has documented the fact that the popularity of Australian Rules Football in Papua New Guinea was overtaken by Rugby League during the 1980's.
dogged:
Translation: You don't want to admit that it proves your game isn't as marketable and superior as you're saying it is.
dogged:
It proves the following points:
- The VFL tried to expand the sport in a foreign country. Therefore, it repudiates your claim that Australian Rules Football has never tried to expand into foreign markets.
- A foreign market has chosen Rugby League at the expense of Australian Rules Football. This proves that Rugby League has competed with Australian Rules Football and win. Therefore, it gives us some insight on what could happen in Australia.
dogged:
and nor does the failure of aussie rules in earlt NSW, QLD...
The interesting thing about the failure of Australian Rules Football in Queensland, New South Wales and Papua New Guinea is the fact it was played in those regions before Rugby League was spread to them. The other interesting thing about it is Rugby League was introduced to these areas just a few years after Australian Rules Football was first played in those regions.
The popularity of Australian Rules Football in the southern states is derived from the fact it was played in them around 40 to 100 years before their people were introduced to Rugby League.
Therefore, one could argue that Australian Rules Football needs to have a 40 to 100 year head start over Rugby League in order to become the dominant code.
dogged:
by the way some of your own RL historians put the failure to take up aussie rules down to to inter-colonial jealousy...
You mean rivalry, not jealousy. If you're saying it's because the New South Welshmen didn't want to compete with the southern states, then you're wrong. It never deterred the New South Wales' cricket team from competting against the southern states in the Sheffield Shield.
dogged:
Sydney had an inferiority complex becasue at turn of the century it was the smaller colony - and it bascially refuesd to take up the game all the 'southern colonies" were playing....
Causation doesn't imply correlation.
dogged:
who knows why NSW stuck with the pommy game of RL instead of going to the game the other Australian colonies were playing in WA, SA, Vic, Tasi....but NSW did stick to RUnion and RLeague...doesn't prove anything....
Has it ever occurred to you that it could be derived from Australian Rules Football not having a 40 year head start over Rugby League in New South Wales and Queensland?