For Christs sake Rooster,

 

I was only expressing my opinion, there is no need for the reaction your giving me. There is no need to imply that im stupid, you may not like my opinion and thats fine but theres no need to get personal. I might not like some of your ideas, but im certainly not going to whinge about them, each to their own.  I thought this was a place for healthy debate, not attacking someone when they put forward an opinion thats doesnt match up with yours.

was he responding to you or me? Its ays it was a response to my reply... anyway.

I agree no need to get personal on here... we can pleave that for other forums.

"Killing off" clubs from anywhere would be suicidal IMO. As I say if anything relocating a team... keep the identity of course. The reason I mantione Sts as the relocation team to the sunshine coast is that Stst have a following up in QLD more so than souths. A team in nossa or there abouts with the Redcliff dolfish (sorry to you out there am a Wynnum boy) feeding, have same colours if not strips would be a very readily identifyable team. This then allows the Bears to come back in at the central coast you sort of have two local derbys then with the newcastle and Manly. what to do with wests tigers... well I think as a team name and brand they should be kept but geographically move permanently out to campbeltown, that is where the frontline with AFL will be, to have three big teams out west is important.

WA have the reds... its already a brand, many fans have fond memories of them in the comp from 11 years ago and they are already being marketed as such theorugh the JBC so I think thay should be as is.

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ROOSTER:

Respect the history for which the NRL has been sprouted from. If this is thrown away, as you suggest,it will result in no loyalty from the general fan base and furthermore unpleasant confusion for new and present fans.

The Sydney-based Rugby League ought to show some loyalty to their clubs before they command loyalty from the NRL.  The plethora of empty seats that pervade the majority of Sydney-based NRL Premiership round matches is a blight on the game.  It gives Australian Rules Football supporters a legitimate reason to mock our game's standing in Australia. 

The people of Sydney do not show a great deal of support for international Rugby League.  A Sydney-based Test match is considered a "success" when it draws a low crowd of 30,000.  The same sort of match can draw over 45,000 people in Brisbane.  State of Origin matches in Sydney are rarely sold out.  Brisbane could attract 100,000 people to a SOO match if its main stadium, Suncorp Stadium, had the capacity.

Based on the situation in Sydney, I think it is fair to conclude that the supply of Sydney-based NRL clubs outweighs demand.  The people of Sydney are keen to watch the game on TV and talk about it at work, but far too few of them are turning up to turning up to grounds.  It is ONE reason behind my belief that the amount of Sydney-based teams that compete in the NRL should be reduced from 9 to around 5-6.  My other reason is based on the fact that the Sydney-based teams are not representing all of Sydney's population.  It would be better to throw out the Sydney-based teams who represent one or two LGA's each (IE. Parramatta, Penrith, Canterbury and Sharks), and replace them with teams that represent many LGA's.

The great thing about Greater Brisbane is the fact that most of its population lives within the boundaries of the Brisbane City Council.  The other LGA's that makeup Greater Brisbane are fairly large, too.  For example, Logan City has a population of 250,000, making it larger than LGA's such as Parramatta (150,000), Penrith (178,000), Cambelltown (143,000)  and Canterbury (135,000),  This means it is possible to keep the Broncos in the competition and bring in a side that represents Logan City.

The NRL clubs who represent LGA's from the western suburbs of Greater Sydney have limited appeal.  Dropping them out of the NRL and replacing them with ONE team that represnts ALL of the LGA's from the western suburbs of Greater Sydney would help the game, the region and the NRL.  The club would have the sort of resources that are the Broncos have (IE. a large population base to tap into for fans, sponsors and junior talent).

Keeping a team in Parrmatta while a larger area such as Logan City don't have a team of their own is insane.  Logan City is a Rugby League heartland that produces outstanding talent (IE. Cameron Smith and Israel Folau).  Logan City's population is increasing, too.  Therefore, if the NRL is intent on fielding teams in LGA's that are part of a capital city, then they shouldn't leave out Logan City.

ROOSTER:

At least you have the commonsense to understand tampering with the Sydney RL clubs is a poison chalice. It is from where the NRL was created.

The New South Wales Rugby Football League (NSWFL) was established just a year or two before the Queensland Rugby Association (QRA).  This means the history of the QRL and the NSWRL are rich and diverse.

I respect that you are an advocate of the game. And your response is over the top.I do not think you are showing the respect Sydney based clubs deserve!

Im entilted to comment. You have expressed dislike of my opinions and that is your perogative.You're reaction is over the top.

You have ignored the advantage of established club identity. This is a massive plus for any code. Like I said previously. You throw away the fabric that appears on the showcase. You throw away the show! Your audience will dissapate through a variety of reasons ranging from non affiliation and non recognition of sides. All of which occur as a result of history and tradition.

So no Magpies logo in  the NRL! By the way Saints have a massive fan base everywhere in Aust.

I dont think anyone wants any team to fade away, but E3L has a point regarding clubs merging or relocating if this needs to be done. The one true aspect of what league ,aussie rules are facing is the fact that soccer is the new player on the block. Now the game of soccer does not appeal to league fans or afl fans but it has a huge advantage to take the market in australia with under 20 year old's. Every school kid looks at this sport as being the true world game.

What league needs to do is get teams set-up in the major cities "top priority", and also establise the game in areas where they have a current league following, ie sunshine coast and central coast. By not getting these areas involved will see soccer quickly over-take that area because we wont have a presense, and if we try to expand after the horse has already bolted makes it very hard to get support back. Our lessen for this would be Perth , Aderlaide, which we now need to rebuild before we can enter.

The other way to do things would be sit back and allow soccer to build its terrortories and then have a team join the same club like they are doing with melbourne , brisbane and gold coast. This is a good way of growing the sport without all the pain of spending a fortune on grounds and facilities. Merging with the soccer clubs looks like the best way forward for our game, soccer is now well established in australia, and so are league and aussie rules, no code will fail but i can see the codes having to become stream lined to compete in the aussie market, rugby union has got the best set-up for the future, having only one team per city.

This is only a thought, but druzik has touched on the subject before, maybe we need to have religation for only the Sydney teams, Now what i mean would be have the 9 clubs all in the comp but 2 get relagated . This is touchy but it could be a good way to keep the clubs alive. This would allow 5 clubs to compete very hard to keep that top spot, and also the bottom 2 clubs would not be out of the comp for more than a year, by doing this they could retain their players but have them on a standed salery so they compete harder to stay in the comp, also there players should not be allowed to move clubs if they get relagated. Its a idea, just some way of keeping them active, rather than having them die. We need these clubs for strong grass roots, why would we want to damage this in any way, the battle of the codes is hard enough without losing support or grass roots.

oikee1:

This is only a thought, but druzik has touched on the subject before, maybe we need to have religation for only the Sydney teams, Now what i mean would be have the 9 clubs all in the comp but 2 get relagated . This is touchy but it could be a good way to keep the clubs alive. This would allow 5 clubs to compete very hard to keep that top spot, and also the bottom 2 clubs would not be out of the comp for more than a year, by doing this they could retain their players but have them on a standed salery so they compete harder to stay in the comp, also there players should not be allowed to move clubs if they get relagated. Its a idea, just some way of keeping them active, rather than having them die. We need these clubs for strong grass roots, why would we want to damage this in any way, the battle of the codes is hard enough without losing support or grass roots.

Yeah I have mentioned this way in the past... though these days having seen what P&R can do to teams in the UK I am not so sure it would be the ideal way to go... well not unless your 2nd tier teams also had a 4 million dollar slary cap... however this franchising idea that super league are bringing in will be interesting, that could be a future way for things to go. Who knows wait and see hey.

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ROOSTER:

I respect that you are an advocate of the game. And your response is over the top.I do not think you are showing the respect Sydney based clubs deserve!

ROOSTER,

One can respect the Sydney-based clubs without believing they ought to have an automatic right to field their teams in the NRL.

The clubs you're referring to are known for their history in the old NSWRFL competition.  The NSW Cup is the modern-day equivalent to the old NSWRFL competition.  There is no reason to think the Sydney-based clubs such as Parramatta and Canterbury cannot live on in the NSW Cup.

The NRL is meant to showcase Rugby League on a national level.  This cannot happen when half of its teams represent Sydney's suburbs and the LGA's that make up Greater Sydney.  It's the con of your "let's support tradition" argument that makes it unmarketable.

In my opinion, the "let's support tradition" argument is a pretense used by Sydney Rugby League fans who want to retain a monopoly of Australia's Rugby League landscape.  You may not be one of them, but I cannot be sure.  Even if you're not, it still doesn't mean your argument isn't helping them to further their agenda.

With respect,you are missing the point. History & tradition combine with identity to create a marketable product. We have no problems that the product, RL, is great, but the packaging needs these vital elements for sustainable growth. Without them things can go pearshaped very quickly.Credibility can be questioned as well as legitimacy to the general sports public. These factors are at risk if you do not continue to respect & use history & tradition. It may seem corny but believe me , it is vital. The superleague disaster was a taste at what would happen if you disregard the above factors!

Promotion and Relegation system would be an absolute disaster in a country as large in land terms as Australia is. The 2nd tier sides would be destined for financial ruin! One feasable idea, would be a 2 conference system based on location & home & away games. Perhaps then combined quarter finals and the finals system to sough out the venetual premiers. This would also create a better way for additional new clubs to enter the comp.Ultimately, a 20 team split conference comp could be the go!

No the promotion and relagation only in sydney, not any other part of the country, by doing this keeps all the sydney clubs healthy.?

This is only a suggestion on how to keep the sydney based clubs alive, nothing else, all the other states can survive and flourish because we have not got 9 teams in one city, why do you think the broncos are so successful.

oikee1:

No the promotion and relagation only in sydney, not any other part of the country, by doing this keeps all the sydney clubs healthy.?

This is only a suggestion on how to keep the sydney based clubs alive, nothing else, all the other states can survive and flourish because we have not got 9 teams in one city, why do you think the broncos are so successful.

No either its P&R for all or none at all... id rather the later. Rooster makes a good point that in a country like Aus then it would be too difficult. Also remeber that there will be Brisbane and QLD clubs who may feel they can cut it as well and want to get promoted up... what would you do then?

The conference idea is an interesting one rooster... I think the NRL is already split into an unofficial 2 group (conference). Teams in each group play each other twice and the other group only once. With the 4 split rounds that makes for 26 rounds.

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