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Last post 06-09-2008, 1:35 PM by England 3 Lions. 557 replies.
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  •  08-05-2008, 4:37 AM 271833 in reply to 271750

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    dogged:

    E3Ls - I must have really stirred you up!!!...have a glass of water and a lie down - take it easy mate..you win!!...there's no way I'm going to even read all of your posts let alone try and answer them!!...wow that must have taken you a while....great effort!!

    Jim - what is your point about the 1908 interstate game?. So what! The rule change you're refer to allowing QLDs play in NSW to play for QLD is a direct copy of the rule change allowing WA players playing in the VFL to play for the WA team...state of origin in RLeague happened in 1980 directly because of the massive success of that WA v Vic game at subiaco oval and the interest and excitement created ...state of origin as a concept was born in 1979 at Subiaco oval in the game WA v Vic before 45,000 standing room only crowd - it was NOT born in the NSW v QLD RLeague clashes not matter how many times knuckleheads like you would like to claim that it did or pretend that it did......so Jim I'm glad I have at least educated you on something,,,

    Jim please don't be shy - I think you should nominate yourself for the stupidest quote of the year for your own comments in the previous post which were based on your ignorance of the beginning of the SOO concept and that RLeague copied the idea from aussie rules...

    dogged is right about the State of Origin concept.

  •  08-05-2008, 5:43 AM 271846 in reply to 271750

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    Yeh OK I'm sure AFL was the first sport to ever play an interstate series. Whatever you say.
  •  08-05-2008, 5:51 AM 271848 in reply to 271833

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    Friday night 7.30 to 10.15   2hours 45 mins  Test match OZ v New Zealand-- free to air 9 live 3 states

    Saturday night 7 to 11  4 hours 150 years cellabration match aussie rules live every state in oz.

    Its on the line this week-end dogged, you fail this test then your a.f.l has got nothing after 150 years, 50 years longer than league in oz and all you can come up with is a game played in victoria , aderlaide, and perth, but the other codes are making progress in these states, 'along with the Storm getting a brand new stadium, well'??  it all looks like downhill from where i am sitting, we have you covered , even soccer has you covered.

    You lose this t/v battle then you have nothing but a spectator sport. And the only thing keeping that afloat is like you have said dogged, your one-eyed supporters who only follow there own club in melbourne. Dont blame me, you said that in your post, you only support your own team, league supports its code across the board, right through to the origin contests, which we took controll of, and test match's which we have and are meaningful.

    Its about time you got rid of your one-eye and opened up the other, or you will be living your a.f.l dream even when other people have woken up. We are not trying to stop your expansion, we just dont like you mexicans because you are ONE-EYED. Once you lose that we might accept you lot down the bottom of the world as human beans. But until you do , we would not pisss on you if you were on fire.

    Besides, your 150 years is a load of bullocks anyhow.

     

  •  08-05-2008, 7:01 AM 271865 in reply to 271750

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    dogged:

    E3Ls - I must have really stirred you up!!!...have a glass of water and a lie down - take it easy mate..you win!!...there's no way I'm going to even read all of your posts let alone try and answer them!!...wow that must have taken you a while....great effort!!

    At least he is making the effort... unlike yourself who basically can't be arsed to do even any slight bit or reserch to try and help your points... and the couple times you have your articles have been more favourable to RL than AFL.


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  •  08-05-2008, 2:49 PM 272069 in reply to 271865

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    Druzik:
    dogged:

    E3Ls - I must have really stirred you up!!!...have a glass of water and a lie down - take it easy mate..you win!!...there's no way I'm going to even read all of your posts let alone try and answer them!!...wow that must have taken you a while....great effort!!

    At least he is making the effort... unlike yourself who basically can't be arsed to do even any slight bit or reserch to try and help your points... and the couple times you have your articles have been more favourable to RL than AFL.

    Druzik,

    Good point!  He accused us of being idiots who never back up our claims.  Now he is "ridiculing" me for using factual evidence to repudiate his assertions.  It's ironic, isn't it?

  •  08-05-2008, 11:35 PM 272418 in reply to 271848

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    yes oikee it is on the line mate.....if the RL test doesn't at least double the aFL's fluff of a game then I'd be very embarrassed..... 'dream team' verses Vic - what a joke!!!....i'm not a Vic by the way - and I'm not watching the 'dream team' ...i hate the Vics and i have no reason to follow the 'dream team'...as I sadi i'd only watch WA or SA take on the Vics - those have been very close an exciting games in the past when they were played in the 1980s ..

    I think what the AFL needs to think seriousl about bringing back SOO and maybe scrapping the pre-season competition that no team takes seriously....and run SOO in two tiers - WA, SA, Vic in one tier with three games spread across the year like they used to...and a second tier QLD, NSW and Allies (NT, ACT, Tasi) again with three games...the main concern is injuries and clubs are hesitant to put their very best at risk....but if i was the aFL i'd seriosuly think about doing this - as well as having a competition with teams in all states, have an SOO series covering all states....the AFL can/should do this - they already do it at u18s level - they need to bring this to seniors...if they did so it once again it'd show the national strength of the game....NRL will only even mamange a two state SOO whereas without too muich difficulty AFL could do a six team SOO 

    yes jim...SOO was copied from aussie rules mate...you can't re-write history...prior to 1979 both codes played interstate 'football' but aussie rules was the first to twig onto the state of orgin concept...which RL copied...thems the facts...

  •  09-05-2008, 4:39 AM 272472 in reply to 272418

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    dogged:

    yes oikee it is on the line mate.....if the RL test doesn't at least double the aFL's fluff of a game then I'd be very embarrassed..... 'dream team' verses Vic - what a joke!!!....i'm not a Vic by the way - and I'm not watching the 'dream team' ...i hate the Vics and i have no reason to follow the 'dream team'...as I sadi i'd only watch WA or SA take on the Vics - those have been very close an exciting games in the past when they were played in the 1980s ..

      

    Funny you say that, because whenever i see something about it on the news or someone talking about it they all think it's a great game and should stay around and the AFL public "will" support it.

    dogged:

    I think what the AFL needs to think seriousl about bringing back SOO and maybe scrapping the pre-season competition that no team takes seriously....and run SOO in two tiers - WA, SA, Vic in one tier with three games spread across the year like they used to...and a second tier QLD, NSW and Allies (NT, ACT, Tasi) again with three games...the main concern is injuries and clubs are hesitant to put their very best at risk....but if i was the aFL i'd seriosuly think about doing this - as well as having a competition with teams in all states, have an SOO series covering all states....the AFL can/should do this - they already do it at u18s level - they need to bring this to seniors...if they did so it once again it'd show the national strength of the game....NRL will only even mamange a two state SOO whereas without too muich difficulty AFL could do a six team SOO 

     

    Now that wouldn't look out of place on an AFL forum i would think. 6 state SOO for AFL, sure you could do that but QLD, NSW and Tassy would be piss poor. a WA RL SOO team would do better than a QLD or NSW AFL team.

    dogged:

    yes jim...SOO was copied from aussie rules mate...you can't re-write history...prior to 1979 both codes played interstate 'football' but aussie rules was the first to twig onto the state of orgin concept...which RL copied...thems the facts...

    Ah well, I'm not afraid to admit i was wrong, since it's hard to remember that at my age... Anyway looks like RL made a better go of it than AFL did. 

  •  09-05-2008, 8:14 AM 272508 in reply to 272069

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    England 3 Lions:
    Druzik:
    dogged:

    E3Ls - I must have really stirred you up!!!...have a glass of water and a lie down - take it easy mate..you win!!...there's no way I'm going to even read all of your posts let alone try and answer them!!...wow that must have taken you a while....great effort!!

    At least he is making the effort... unlike yourself who basically can't be arsed to do even any slight bit or reserch to try and help your points... and the couple times you have your articles have been more favourable to RL than AFL.

    Druzik,

    Good point!  He accused us of being idiots who never back up our claims.  Now he is "ridiculing" me for using factual evidence to repudiate his assertions.  It's ironic, isn't it?

    Mmmmmhhmmmmm... too right. From the start everyone on here has pretty much back their claims except him. I still don't understand why dogged on here.


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  •  09-05-2008, 8:25 AM 272510 in reply to 272472

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    jim_57:

    Anyway looks like RL made a better go of it than AFL did. 

    Agreed.  The AFL's version of it isn't marketable.

  •  09-05-2008, 8:38 AM 272513 in reply to 272510

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    I find it funny how since Oikee has put forward the ratings challenge on both codes representative games he's downplayed the AFL's rep game. You might not be a fan of it dogged, but the AFL sure are trying to make the most of it. You cant watch fox sports for five minutes without seeing an ad for it.
  •  09-05-2008, 3:03 PM 272604 in reply to 272513

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    Super Steve:
    I find it funny how since Oikee has put forward the ratings challenge on both codes representative games he's downplayed the AFL's rep game. You might not be a fan of it dogged, but the AFL sure are trying to make the most of it. You cant watch fox sports for five minutes without seeing an ad for it.

    True.  dogged is quite adept at using circular logic to "explain" the AFL's shortcomings.

  •  12-05-2008, 12:57 AM 274623 in reply to 272604

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    you would have noticed in the media that the AFL CEO doesn't even want to run this 'Vic v Dream Team' again next season....it was just a one off....so oikeee you can squeal all you like about these games it being a fair comparison between AFL and RLeague....the AFL itself doesn't even rate this concept enough to repeat it...and as i said trwu AFL fans wouldn't even btoher watching...unless of course you're a Vic the dream team represents nobody....it'd be like having NSW v Dream Team (QLD plu NZ plus UK)...how many QLDers would like that one!?..

     one thing i will say is that at least the aFL game was a contest unlike RL that was all over well before the end...not that i watched either game...

     

  •  12-05-2008, 2:07 AM 274637 in reply to 274623

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    Agreed dogged, wast of time running the a.f.l game, i dont know what happened but i am sure it was a fluff game, as for the test match it showed us alot of what we come to expect from the kiwi's, they were not out of the game and look like a real threat come world cup.

    Dogged the reason why they cant repeat the origin concept is because they have no passion for the game, its a fluff game compared to state of origin rugby league. You cant get past your club tribalism and never will. This is why you can never have a real world cup game. No other nation could ever compete with aussie rules and never will?

    You are a victim of your own success, by the time aussie rules takes off world wide we all will be long gone. Enjoy your local derbies and you always have 200 years to look forward to, in the meantime we will be enjoying our world cup games gathering more exposure. We have world cup rugby union as our competitors in the future, aussie rules is not our threat. On the other hand aussie rules will have to compete with soccer for attention, they are fast becoming the dominate code for you in melbourne.

    As you know from league in england, we do compete quite well with soccer over there, so we have not got to worry about them as much as what aussie rules does, this is what i keep telling you, league as you know from the storm in melbourne is not your worry, soccer is your real threat. Can you understand this?

  •  12-05-2008, 2:20 AM 274640 in reply to 274623

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    I have just found this report dogged about the tribute match, and like i have been saying all along, melbourne supporters would turn up for a game of tiddly winks if they were told to support it, the game was a joke and soft, you cant expect to better your game, it is at the end of its tether now, there is no future devolopment coming and the origin concept wont work in rules. Read on for the report about the game---- 

    The future of representative football remains a great unknown for the AFL after Saturday night's one-off Hall of Fame tribute match.

    While Victoria's 17-point win over a composite Dream Team attracted nearly 70,000 fans to the MCG and strong support from the players, the contest lacked real passion and was basically an exhibition fixture.

    With the game still in the balance during the final term, fans resorted to a Mexican Wave to generate some added excitement.

    The fixture would clearly fizzle as an annual event and AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou later said the re-introduction of State of Origin was "not on our radar".

    The league is also very sensitive that Saturday night could never have happened without the goodwill of players and their clubs.

    "There was great support for the Victorian team, you heard that when players came out," said Demetriou.

    "The fact of the matter is that we're in a national competition, to be able to get the players and clubs to commit to something like this was a feat in itself.

    "To be able to get a team put together called the Dream Team with the cross-representation from all the states was terrific, we're not complaining.

    "People enjoyed the night, it was a great entertainment experience, we saw some wonderful football and skills."

    The inherent risks involved in a game featuring most of the league's best players were borne out when West Coast midfielder Daniel Kerr (Dream Team) and Collingwood ruckman Josh Fraser (Victoria) left the field with injuries.

    Kerr went to hospital for tests, but his lower-leg injury was not as bad as first feared.

    Fraser also is keen to play against St Kilda on Friday night, after initial fears that he might be out for around two months with posterior cruciate ligament damage in his right knee.

    Collingwood president Eddie McGuire was in the Victorian rooms after the game and admitted he watched the game "nervously", given Fraser was among four Magpies taking part.

    McGuire was also unsure what to do next, but added the league must be prepared to promote the sport with something other than club matches.

    "We always have to mindful of showcasing the game - and (we had) 70,000 people on Mothers Day weekend instead of the headlines being tomorrow that no-one comes on Mothers Day," he said.

    "It's great, it's something a bit different ... you become a president of a club and obviously your job is to look after your football club, first and foremost, and you sit nervously watching the game ... hoping that nothing happens.

    "At the end of it all, you have to be conscious that this game has given us all something that none of us could believe, we've all got great jobs and stadiums and everything that is great about the game.

    "You have to put a little bit back sometimes ... we have to look at it and see how we go."

  •  12-05-2008, 2:45 AM 274643 in reply to 274640

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    Discussing a sport(GayFL) that RL palyers use for training runs is not going to add quality to a debate concerned with expansion of the NRL.The NRL should look at its next expansion aimed at regathering dissenfranchised fans from the SuperLeague disaster and entering new areas in a similar way to how the GayFL have done so with the Lions & Swans. For example:

    Central Coast Bears & West Australian Magpies.  These new clubs can be readily associated with the already established clubs(Norths Bears&West Magpies). The West Tigers can be rebadged as the Balmain Campbelltown Tigers.

    Another QLD club should be the Sunshine Coast Dolphins. Once again backed by the successfull Redcliffe Dolphins.(Dont know if there is a suitable ground to cater for this club but a share arrangement with Suncorp Stadium could suffice whilst a stadium is built)

    Other expansionary clubs could be in the form of the South Australian Rabbitoes or from the South Island of NewZealand.

    Perhaps a name change from the NRL to the Australasian Rugby League might be appropriate? 

    This sought of expansion can be successfull over a staged 10 year period.

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