Baby steps Baby steps, we dont want to go down that path jimmy, look what happens when other sports try to force themselves on us, now i want us to break into america, yes by all means, but just sit back and enjoy the ride as they have a 10 team comp over there, this has helped them, and if you think you can force feed a sport down someone's throat then we are back to square one. No its going nicely at the moment, tuck this one under our belts, put it to sleep now and let mr lewis access the situation, as he would have done, but dont let us dwell on it to hard, league is ok over there for now, small crowds are good, veiwers are even better, if we get say, 50 thousand watching on t/v over there,,, the world cup,,,then this is a success, lifes good and we have acheived something, by not forcing the issue. If they like it they will come.It also would have helped in the development of the next 10 teams on the west coast, which was being started as we speak. Very good promoting that has been. Full stop. One thing i have forgot to mention is that the game runs in the off season to n f l ,,,, and we never intend to compete with them, we hold there hands like little kids,,, we complement them. Nice Jaguar, please dont bite my arm off, All we want is a small following.

I don't really see giving them a regular fixture every year "forcing it down their throat". I think it would be great to get games like Souths Vs Leeds played there every year. Maybe even WCC. Still what you say is good, let league develop in USA, and everywhere else for that matter, progressively. Also i agree not competing with the NFL season is a good idea. As for expansion in USA look to get 1 or 2 new teams into new areas per year. Also if the AMNRL could make a deal with a radio station or TV channel for news results that would be subtle yet progressive.

Yes your right jim, they just need exposure,  and the best oppurtunity for years,,,, ever,,,, has come through this event, good on them. Rugby league is on the increase now, i dont really care for it to become to big, i think the super and nrl are about the right size, maybe 20 teams in oz one day, and 20 in the u.k comp will do nicely, and 20 in america, and a europe comp, along with other countries, i really dont think we need to go like soccer, we just want to make a strong small world comp. Would be nice.

I have always gone on the rough rule of thumb that a WC should be about 1/4 - 1/3 of the international countries. So for RL at the moment that means 10 is enough (just over 30 countries play and 20 were in WC qualifiers). I suspect next RLWC we will increase to 12 as the number of countries would have increased. Countries that were involved in WC qualifiers.

• Australia
• England
• New Zealand
• France
• PNG
• Tonga
• Fiji
• Samoa
• Cook Is
• USA
• Russia
• Serbia
• Holland
• Georgia
• Scotland
• Wales
• Ireland
• Lebanon
• Japan
• Tokelau

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the world cup needs to be set to every so many years i agree at every 4 years.the wc should be held in an estabilsed rugby league country then in a country to promote the game.

I think the next WC is basically confirmed for 2013 and i'd say it will be every 4 years after that.

About your idea of the world cup alternating from established countries to a country to promote the game, it would be great but it won't happen. Don't get me wrong id love to see a WC in Russia or USA but the fact is the game just isn't popular enough thewre to risk a WC. Most likely situation is International RL loses alot of money and that is something that cannot happen.

Below is how i'd like to see the future WC schedule, maybe by 2021 USA, Russia, France will be able to host a WC. Maybe even South Africa, Italy Or Germany but i doubt it.

2008 - Australia
2013 - England/France/Wales
2017 - Australia/NZ/PNG
2021 - ???

Getting back to this subject again, because of some comments about new zealand players and who they are going to play for, one situation that occers is the players dont have enough international games so they always play for new zealand, now going back to my every 2 years idea.

After 2013 we need to have a world cup every 2 years. Why ,,,, why not, look league has always been inavative and we need to do this because we are so far behind union it is not funny, as druzik keeps telling me. Now why would we want a cup every 2 years, let me explain, it gives us international games every 2 years, if we stick to the 10 team format and just add 2 teams from a playoff from the other nations then we get good competition from growing nations and we dont have to worry about tri nations and growing this, i mean why would you bother if we are going to have a world cup every 2 years?

Right before you go mental just look at the positives, we can then free up every 2nd year for other promotional games like the challenge club game and overseas games say between clubs and upcoming nations, stuff like this where we just are not making room, also the island teams like tonga figi and samoa will beneifit because they will have a world cup to play for, wales and ireland also scotland will get fast tracked into league this way.

If we plod down the 3, 4, 5, nation path we are just wasting 20 years of rapid growth. The last 2 teams to enter the 12 team cup have to play the bottom 2 teams from qualifying to make the 12 team cup. I will draw a chart.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 teams in cup

emerging nations play for shot at making the 12, so the top 2 from the emerging nations play 11 and 12 above for a chance to make the world cup, now if they finish up the order of the 12 teams while they are in the cup, then they dont have to make the play off come next world cup, sort of like a relagation system, we can expand this amount of teams over time, if we get a lot more countries playing.

Look we have to be innovative, if we are not and just go down the international path, we are dinosaurs, sorry druzik, i know you are a great believer but believe me this will give you your test rugby league and free up time in between years for other agenders. And jim before you say we wont get the crowds, who cares, we get the t/v rights, this is the money. And i am sure countries would love to host the world cup,America and china, probably even dubai would have one, russia would, and we get to see the games anyway on t/v and sky...Is oz worried about crowds, we are playing a game in rocky. This is what we should be doing, maybe next time we have australia play england at ayres rock(alluru) why not, we get the veiwers.

 If we dont go this way then druzik, you will get your wish, more internationals that dont really help the game grow. People want world cups not a one off game here and there?

 

Ha? I have always said that we need more meaningful tournaments. I am not sure about the 2 year cycle, I think we really do need top have the regional championships... that's where the local rivalries are built and that where money can be made, applying the natural competitivelness between nations. Look At the ENC in soccer... its considered in Europe to be a more higher status sport than the world cup, because there are less teams in it and harder to get into...

Look I am with you about having to get the revenue up and TV is where its done, getting it into the large markets is the way to go. Yes I do want more regular international matches that have meaning being played. I have been an advocate for scraping tours... but that it a bit too unpopular ATM I think. They generate money for RL as it stands.

There is nothing wrong with doing it the way soccer does things. They have all their world and regional cups set in a nice 4 year cycle... the innovative thing sometimes is not being innovative. There are successful models out there why cont we follow them, why do we need to buck the trend just to be different?

Also the 2 year cycle would not give some nations time enough to recover financially from one WC to another. They are large campains, you basicallt go from WC qualifiers to a WC to WC qualifiers to a WC... becomes a bit too hard... even Australia would struggle to work on that kind of time scale.

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Ha? I have always said that we need more meaningful tournaments. I am not sure about the 2 year cycle, I think we really do need top have the regional championships... that's where the local rivalries are built and that where money can be made, applying the natural competitivelness between nations. Look At the ENC in soccer... its considered in Europe to be a more higher status sport than the world cup, because there are less teams in it and harder to get into...

 gLook I am with you about having to get the revenue up and TV is where its done, getting it into the large markets is the way to go. Yes I do want more regular international matches that have meaning being played. I have been an advocate for scraping tours... but that it a bit too unpopular ATM I think. Theyenerate money for RL as it stands.

There is nothing wrong with doing it the way soccer does things. They have all their world and regional cups set in a nice 4 year cycle... the innovative thing sometimes is not being innovative. There are successful models out there why cont we follow them, why do we need to buck the trend just to be different?

Also the 2 year cycle would not give some nations time enough to recover financially from one WC to another. They are large campains, you basicallt go from WC qualifiers to a WC to WC qualifiers to a WC... becomes a bit too hard... even Australia would struggle to work on that kind of time scale.

The thing about what we do druzik is what makes league great, we dont follow rules, they were invented for other games, we make the rules, now think about this,

If we keep the world cup around the 12 teams, it would not be to big to handle every 2 years. We get lots of money coming in for the RLIF and this is all they have to worry about, if they cant do this then get someone who can. Now if we go this way then on the off years we can scrap the club challenge,

now before you go off your tree we then can promote a top 4 super league and n.r.l playoff, maybe a 3 week super dooper challenge after the season to produce the best and fairest way of challenging the teams. Look at it like this, if super league introduce a wales team and another french team, then they have the oppurtunity to make the top 4 playoff, so you get more interest from other countries. And you also mix up the top 4 because different teams would be in the top 4 every 2 years, spice it up.Brisbane would have been there 2 year ago, and last year they would not make the 4

Now i would love to see a team also in ireland and scotland to join super league in the future, this would really liven the challenge up? Now the teams who dont make the top 4 will have a country team named from the other clubs (test team), so probably not all the top players would make up this team because the top 4 would be playing the super dooper club playoff , but it would give the big nations a chance to blood some younger blokes, and also they would be playing for there country. Now by doing this they could imbark on overseas test games against anyone really, maybe a game against lebanon, england playing jamaica, say russia playing france, etc, etc, so we still are helping the other emerging nations, and we still have some test games every 2nd year.

 To be honest druzik, why not have the world cup every 2 years, if you think about the 6 nations that union has, this is nearly the same as holding a world cup for league, but union do it around countries to make more money, we need to be thinking outside the square to make league the number 1 spectacle, other wise we will be chasing our tails for the next 20 years? If you call it a world cup then you get the t/v rights to many countries.

I really think this world cup is going to be the catalist for the game, but we really need to look at the way we do things, other wise we wont grow. Planning like the guy has already done with his 10 year outlook to me is boring, he has got no imagination and is a dinosaur. I would have league the number 1 showcase in 10 years, he is just plodding into a dull and boring grind by doing what he has done. Sorry but my thought.He is not innavative.

Sorry oikee but the WC should be the greatest event in RL but if you have it every 2 years it will become repetitive and people will think its a joke. Look at 3 of the most sucessful events in sport, the olympics, soccer WC and union WC, these comps are held every 4 years and when they come around there is alot of built up expectation and hope.Now If you were to make it every 2 years, sure it would still be a good tournament but it wouldn't be as exiting as it would be when you have to wait for 4. I think thats why im so excited about this years WC, its been coming for 8 years.

I dont mind the 4 team WCC idea, still though i have said many times and will say again it should be a 3 team tournament with the champs of NRL and SL aswell as a winner of a 'best of the rest' tournament which would see clubs from france, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, russia, PNG, NZL, Tonga etc. etc. play it out for the chance to get flogged by the NRL and SL champs, still would be great for all countries involved and would give the clubs the chance of a lifetime of making the WCC final.

As for a SL club in ireland and Scotland, i said a while ago that i thought it would be a good idea but the response i got was that league is not popular enough in these two countries to host it. Hopefully the WC will generate some momentum for RL in the countries and get the ball rolling so by the time of the next WC we could see a club from scotland and a club from ireland in the SL/NL system.

oikee:

... if you think about the 6 nations that union has, this is nearly the same as holding a world cup for league, but union do it around countries to make more money...

Mate have you seen the tripe that been dished out this year in the 6N... If I were a Pom I would be screaming for a national enquiry why the beeb paid 160 million pounds for that c4ap. Did you see Scotland v England... I wanted to cry at the end of it and that was after sleeping through 30 mins of the game! 6N is big because Union only survives on the international games, they sell it well and RU fans buy into it... RL will not, they are not as stupid. RL fans if saturated with something will complain and RL will be forced to do another inovative thing and go from 2 years to 4 or what ever. Look the way things are going the RU 6N will not survive long... their game needs a massive revamp if anything and the only way to go is the RL path and they wont do that and so the sport will have its southern England niece market and that will be it.

If you want to turn RL into what the RU 6N is at the moment then no thank you. best way to loose your fan base.

oikee:

... Planning like the guy has already done with his 10 year outlook to me is boring, he has got no imagination and is a dinosaur...

Mate that is massively innovative for RL. Look I feel he could have done a bit more with it but hell the fact that there is a plan for IRL now of any capacity is massive. It didn;t exists beyond 6 months in some cases previously. At least now there is some sort of co-ordination happening. Look sometimes the innovative thing to do is not to be innovative.

Look I callo a spade a sapde, have been critical or the RLIF where I felt needed but I also have applauded what they do when deserved. Overall, I think IRL is moving forward.

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oikee:

... if you think about the 6 nations that union has, this is nearly the same as holding a world cup for league, but union do it around countries to make more money...

Mate have you seen the tripe that been dished out this year in the 6N... If I were a Pom I would be screaming for a national enquiry why the beeb paid 160 million pounds for that c4ap. Did you see Scotland v England... I wanted to cry at the end of it and that was after sleeping through 30 mins of the game! 6N is big because Union only survives on the international games, they sell it well and RU fans buy into it... RL will not, they are not as stupid. RL fans if saturated with something will complain and RL will be forced to do another inovative thing and go from 2 years to 4 or what ever. Look the way things are going the RU 6N will not survive long... their game needs a massive revamp if anything and the only way to go is the RL path and they wont do that and so the sport will have its southern England niece market and that will be it.

If you want to turn RL into what the RU 6N is at the moment then no thank you. best way to loose your fan base.

oikee:

... Planning like the guy has already done with his 10 year outlook to me is boring, he has got no imagination and is a dinosaur...

Mate that is massively innovative for RL. Look I feel he could have done a bit more with it but hell the fact that there is a plan for IRL now of any capacity is massive. It didn;t exists beyond 6 months in some cases previously. At least now there is some sort of co-ordination happening. Look sometimes the innovative thing to do is not to be innovative.

Look I callo a spade a sapde, have been critical or the RLIF where I felt needed but I also have applauded what they do when deserved. Overall, I think IRL is moving forward.

Having trouble doing the quotes, i just mentioned that yes alright every four years is o.k, but we do need to have more of those international games between the minnow countries televised. We have so much boring time between comps.Put some games on t/v and people would watch them.

oikee:

Having trouble doing the quotes, i just mentioned that yes alright every four years is o.k, but we do need to have more of those international games between the minnow countries televised. We have so much boring time between comps.Put some games on t/v and people would watch them.

Yes, Get SBS or ABC to show games in Australia... that would be a good start, if Ch9 and Fox feel that they dont want them, then do that. Or get the regional TV stations like Bris 31 to show games! 

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