jim_57:

However i still feel NRL is ever so slightly above SL. I have watched both over the last few years and SL has made a massive rise...............

 Your right mate, i watch both myself and I agree the week in week out intensity of the NRL is higher than the SL, but we are getting better every year.

jim_57:

As for him being a hooker, im sure i read that he ws a halfback/hooker and he played a bit of both in AUS, so you can see where i got halfback from, still as you say good luck getting in over Farah.

 you could be right here too mate, I have only ever seen him line up at hooker for Russia and the Challenge cup game last year he played hooker for his club

I hope he did get a couple of games at halfback too, its all good
 

The way i look at it would be :- england 2013, then America 2017, this will give the politicians over there  have something to talk about at morning tea, even more so if we put Lebanon and Russia in their group. Get them nervous i say, then after this cup, we will have to rotate between england and australia every four years, so we dont have to wait another 30 years for a world cup to get back here, and every other 2 years some other nation gets two hold the games, so what i'm saying is that we have the world cup after 2017 every 2 years. Well why not, why should we have to wait so long.

Hi Oikee, I like your thinking but it won't work. The key to a World Cup, Olympics or other similar event is that the waiting, qualifying and build up of anticipation assit in making it a major event. By conducting the RLWC every two years people would lose interest totally as it would become par se. I think international rugby league is on the right track and just needs to keep the momentum rolling along.

I like your groupings for your proposed 2017 WC in America.

LOL... the last time RL and politics got mixed up there was a coronial inquest and a state government nearly went belly up... But man the crowds would be something!

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I think we should probaly look at it this way....

2013. England

2017. Australia

2021. France 

 

 

Why would it not work, by 2017 the momentum would be there, and we dont want to go down the path of rugby union, 6 nations, please give me a break, they only need another 2 nations and they may as well call it a world cup, no i like the way all the other nations are grouped into getting stronger in their build-up, and by 2017 america would have nearly another 9 years in the game, i see their starting their west coast venture this year, but what i think should never ever happen, is this 5, 6, 7 ,8 nations, talk about loosing interest.

I think this post needs to go straight to the RLIF, if you read my previous posts you will start to warm to this way of thinking, what we should be getting away from is having 3,4 nations, why you might ask, think about it, we are at this point in time now, everyone really knows there are only 3 teams likely to win a world cup, look at onion, (yes i know i spelt it wrong) realistically only one of there 5,6 nations are ever going to win a world cup, they have created this by these strong nations getting stronger at the expense of the lesser ones. If we go down this path, then we are very short-sighted. Now by giving the yanks the world cup in 2017, by then we would have had 2008,2013, Plenty of time for them to build up more of a interest, and by this time, they would be welcoming with open arms the staging of such a event. If we take the cup to france before 2020, then i would say we have gone backwoods at least 10 years. Why you may ask. They are not ready, give them 12 years to build and enjoy the super league, (this is another issue i have with onion, How dare they use rugby super league for there game in usa, who allowed this to happen, and why weren't we told, We should be sueing them, wouldn't that cause some headlines in the states, hehehe, russell eat your heart out, i'll get you some publicity,) carrying on now, yes 12 years by then they would be begging for a chance to hold the cup. And rightly so they should have to beg, I dont have to go into that one. Now, i have mentioned every 2 years for world cup after 2017, losing interest in the world cup wont happen, but we have to make sure we reward our countries,oz and england, for being so passionate about the game, and if you look at the way i have set it out, this means every 8, yes 8 years, we would have a world cup back to our shores, To show this, ---oz,othercountry,(this is four years) england,other country, oz,othercountry, now looking at it i think its 10 years before we see another cup, anyway, we need to do this to keep the passion burning for the game, otherwise it might stagnate if the cup is all over the place and not back here for another 30 years. On the off years when the cup is not held, smaller tournaments to help the little nations build, say oz with a new team of youngsters playing against usa jamaca tonga, england germany somoa, france new zealand japan, to help them get stronger  by playing against better teams every 2 years outside world cups.Once again england and new zealand could be blooding youngsters at these stages and the games will get more even. But come world cup time, its on for young and old, hehe.

There is no chance of the USA holding a world cup not now not in 2017, ceratinly not before France does.

Why the hell would the RLIF do such a thing the game in the US is tiny comapred with the UK or Aus?
Even comapered to NZ or France and neither of those countrys could hold a WC either.

why would the RLIF take a WC to a country who can only attract 1,500 to its grand final? 

RL is never going to be more popular than the many other sports competing for coverage in the US, your view is a very blinkered one your assuming that league can take the yanks interest, what if we give them a WC and they dont come.

 
The best thing for the game IS to run Euro/Pacific 5 nations championships

Because

 A, It wouldnt cost teams like Samoa or Wales who dont have huge budgets the earth to travel haf way around the world

B, you could stage the games in places where you know you could generate intrest

C, it would do the exact opposite of what you claim it would bring nations such as Samoa and wales closer to Eng or Aus because they would be playing them regualry rather than just in a WC every 4 years

 

In summary I think your post should be submitted straight to the Bin, not the RLIF
 

Thanks marv, I dont know how old you are but good luck. I was only trying to hurry up the games abit to form a better agender, for us really. Anyhow, by the time we see a world cup game played in the us or europe , you and me will be long gone, but never mind, if you take it to them they wont come, Rugby leagues new motto. I will put me head back in the sand now.Bury it along with my suggestions.

oikee:

Thanks marv, I dont know how old you are but good luck. I was only trying to hurry up the games abit to form a better agender, for us really. Anyhow, by the time we see a world cup game played in the us or europe , you and me will be long gone, but never mind, if you take it to them they wont come, Rugby leagues new motto. I will put me head back in the sand now.Bury it along with my suggestions.

oikee, mate im quite happy to listen to your Ideas, but we all gotta be realistic about things.

With a world cup coming up in less than a year, we should be concentrating our efforts on this one with the countyrys that are already Qualified, its all well and good saying the USA should be there or Lebanon or Wales but because we have had a lengthy Qualifiing process thoase nations arent gonna be there, and for me thats good because they wernt good enough to get past Samoa or Ireland so what chance do they have against Eng, Aus or even NZ.

They all knew the score when they entered.

If I may ask you a question why would you even consider taking the comp to the USA?

sure there showing good signs but its ridiculous to even think they could stage a world cup, even in 20 years, at this current time.

You can say stuff like "take it to them and they wont come" to make me seem anti-expansionist but this is just it oikee, they wont come, they didnt come to a WC in England in 2000 the 1995 WC didnt sell out, non of the NZ v GB tests sold out this year (or any year) the ANZAC test drew only 20,000 to sydney

I want to get our own backyards sorted out and full houses for IRL games in Aus and the UK before we jet off on flights of fancy to the USA. 

 

and by the way mate im 26 years old I hope I can see a WC in France or NZ but I realise I might be 50 before it happens. 

The one thing we can not count on is what might happen, this world cup, so say samoa do really well, this raises the question to lebanon, who had a few players out, yes they beat the usa convincingly, but they would be thinking, they were not far off making the cut, now, we all assume that oz are going to win, i think we will, but stranger things have happened, i agree with you, we should sit back and take the rewards of this one, but we should not just then sit back and think of what to do next, plan like it is already going to work ok, get on with the planing for the uk, next cup, and have a up your sleeve plan if things take a possitive turn, 9 years is along time off, usa might have grown enough by then. Listen marv, we dont want to become cattle, following the other codes, look what happens in the stockmarket, everyone gets on the bandwagon, next thing you know, you got crap on your shoes. I think just be ourselves, and do what we do best, what that is, i have no idea. Good point marv, good point.

Going off the subject a little here, if anyone has seen on youtube, the hakka between nz and tonga at suncorp, sends chills down your spine, thinking about samoa making the world cup,  this might be a blessing in disguse for league. Now if you think about onion, what do people really turn up to see, is it the players, skills , johnny,  no its the hakka. Now i have a idea, we as aussies have indigenous players, what we really need to do is sort out a corroboree dance mingled with a kangaroo hop and angry anderson heads, and call it our war dance, we are the world champs, we should have something, not a girlie song, like walzie me tilda, no wonder the wallabies give up. Send this post straight to arl,  or we will start a petition to have one sorted. What do you think marv, alright.....

oikee:

Now i have a idea, we as aussies have indigenous players, what we really need to do is sort out a corroboree dance mingled with a kangaroo hop and angry anderson heads, and call it our war dance, we are the world champs, we should have something, not a girlie song, like walzie me tilda, no wonder the wallabies give up. Send this post straight to arl,  or we will start a petition to have one sorted. What do you think marv, alright.....

there is already a topic on this oikee i thinks its in rugby league players go have a look.

oikee:

The one thing we can not count on is what might happen, this world cup, so say samoa do really well, this raises the question to lebanon, who had a few players out, yes they beat the usa convincingly, but they would be thinking, they were not far off making the cut,

your right mate Lebanon were close and they should be feeling gutted about not making the cut.

But I think this is good for the game, the fact that we have sides like Lebanon and Wales who did  the business at the last WC, and because the game is stronger around the world they havent made it.

we should sit back and take the rewards of this one, but we should not just then sit back and think of what to do next, plan like it is already going to work ok, get on with the planing for the uk, next cup, and have a up your sleeve plan if things take a possitive turn, 9 years is along time off, usa might have grown enough by then.

I admire you enthusiasm Oikee but I just dont see the USA being strong enough even in 10 years to

A, compete in the comp without being embarresed

B, fill the grounds

C, make enough money to keep the players in the USA for 3 weeks (remember 50% of this WC players will be living in Aus only Eng, Fra, Ireland and Scotland will be travelling huge diffreences)

Listen marv, we dont want to become cattle, following the other codes, 

I agree but at the same time we shouldnt throw out other peoples Ideas the RU 5 nations brings some serious cash into RUs bank accounts 

i am not going away, sorry marv, i tend to think a bit different to you, this might be good, might be bad, take a look at the 5 nations, will you watch any games, i know i wont be, could not give a hoot, only europe will bother, now, take a bit of the interest to america by throwing in a couple of pacific nations playing america, after a couple of years with the promotion of the rabbits and leeds over there with the australia day, it will get in the heads of the yanks, when they look to see if they are playing anyone, they will see some pacific islands and maybe a lesser oz or england team, now and then, so slowly, over say the next 5 to 7 years, they will be very interested to see how they are going, with setanta showing nrl and super league plus origin, you might have enough to go on by then, hopefully, the island nations will be more involved, through the players in the 2 top leagues help, start really cutting the grass for league in the future, they love the game, and they are very strong in that regard.I just think that if you flood the market with all these miny nation cups, then you tend to get a bit tediuos, to much rugby is a bad thing in my opinion, keep the tournaments small, but helping the other nations build will only add to the excitement of who can beat who, not playing each other all the time, come world cup, you know the outcome. This is why i say we should be looking at not having the tri nations and think more about regional to area games, even if you put together a weaker team. Looking forward to your response. Had a look at the war-cry forum, i will just say here, if it was written back in 1908, then we own it and if we wish to utilise it , good. After all, we are convict riffraff.