There are many smaller 3/4 nation tournaments being played around the world that involve the "minow" nations. One example the European Shield which involves Germany, Serbia and the Czech Rep. I had the great joy at attending two of these games this year. Germany v Serbia in Heidelberg and Czech's v Germany in Prague. These teams are made up of local players, however the German team does have 4-5 players they call upon from the english midlands comp, and believe me they have as much passion for their colours as any Kangaroo team. Some of these guys have fantastic skills and are as big in terms of their build (some of the serbians are very fit and well built guys) as some ESL and NRL palyers.

The PI's tend to have small tri nations and tours amongst them selves. Fiji and Tonga this year, Cook Islands and Tonga and NZ Maori have had test series in the past. Lebanon toured Serbia this year, There was the home nations 4-N , this is an A team tournament involving England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland, Wales won that. France is lookingt to join thi next year.

There used to be the Vicory cup involving England, France, Russia, USA, NZ and Serbia, the Mediteranean cup which had France, Morocco and Lebanon, maybe serbia one year not sure on that.

So the tournaments are there, its just that they need to be played with some sort of consistency. Personally I would love to see these be playes once every four years in line as the qualifiers to regional championaships like the European, Pacific and Atlantic Championships... actually on this front one of these has been put to the RLIF so we will see what the outcome is at the end of November.

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The only corrections I can give... well none really. Those countries would be at the lower end of the rankings for their regions... internationally well its a bit hard to say since the RLIF ranking have not changes in about 2 years.

But got to http://www.rugbyleagueinternationalscores.com/about.html

there I have done a semi-detailed outline of my idea for the next 10 years. But I have a structured 4 year cycle of 6 tournaments that pit teams asgainst each other regionally and at their level, so not too much expensive travel. With financial benefits to help them when they move through the stages. I feel its a realistic goal, but as I also comment on there I am open to constructive critisism and superior ideas.

 

you should show it to someone in power...got richard lewis's number? ;) 

No, but I do know some of the RLEF guys, actually I am hoping to catch up with one of them on the weekend in Paris before th game and have a chat about it.

I am alsoi currently just updating it a bit, for consitency sake I am running another "simulation", I got some critisism that Australia won everything again despite it being a random process... so lets see what happens a second time.

But there are also a few other "minow nation" heads that I am in contact with that I will show it to, I think the Sth Africans have been looking at a similar set up to mine in terms of an Atlantic Championships. But Rhino can shed light more on that, he is more in the know with SAfRL.

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No, but I do know some of the RLEF guys, actually I am hoping to catch up with one of them on the weekend in Paris before th game and have a chat about it.

I am alsoi currently just updating it a bit, for consitency sake I am running another "simulation", I got some critisism that Australia won everything again despite it being a random process... so lets see what happens a second time.

But there are also a few other "minow nation" heads that I am in contact with that I will show it to, I think the Sth Africans have been looking at a similar set up to mine in terms of an Atlantic Championships. But Rhino can shed light more on that, he is more in the know with SAfRL.

 

ok, hope you enjoy the game.  the kiwis are playing two teenagers on the wings so could be interesting!

i know i've said this to you in the past but if the catalan dragons want any help putting their werbsite in catalan and english i'd be more than happy to help.

the only oproblem is that someone would have to translate the french in to english or catalan first.

they sent some players and a former france coach to girona (spain) university a couple of weekends ago to give coaching tips to the unon players.

i work with one of them and he told me it was a great day but (like many catalans) he cant read the official website cos its only in french.

the perpignan based union club usap have their website in french catalan and i think english. 

this is the page from the website about the rugby league day

sorry but it's only available in catalan...but there are pictures...well one 

 

http://www.rugbi.org/node/53

catalanc:

i know i've said this to you in the past but if the catalan dragons want any help putting their werbsite in catalan and english i'd be more than happy to help. the only oproblem is that someone would have to translate the french in to english or catalan first.

The best thing to do is contact them through their current site and offer your services.

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have done...a few times

 

never received a reply! 

catalanc:

you should show it to someone in power...got richard lewis's number? ;) 

Had beers with the NZRL board members and Chalmers on the weekend in Paris and mentioned my idea to them. They said they'll have a look at it... Don't hold my breath but I tried my best. Either way it was great meeting the NZ players.

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catalanc:

you should show it to someone in power...got richard lewis's number? ;) 

Had beers with the NZRL board members and Chalmers on the weekend in Paris and mentioned my idea to them. They said they'll have a look at it... Don't hold my breath but I tried my best. Either way it was great meeting the NZ players.

 

you really do get about!!

have you heard that catalans are playing a president's XIII in january?

think it's the 19th

might try and persuade the girlfriend to go up for the weekend ;) 

Yes and France A play Great Briatain A in a couple of weeks... not sure where yet. I'll be in Oz in January so cant make it down unfortunately.

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The 2013 date is very sound thinking. I'm proposing New Zealand hosts the 2017 World Cup - and yes I will help organise it - but for 2013 let's go to Russia.I have been there twice to help Russian Rugby League and the game is growing slowly but consistently. Having the Russian's host the Cup would be a mighty coup and they have the resources to do so. Havign bot USA and Russia meet in the preliminary rounds is a league dream and I could not honestly pick the result right now. I believe the current format for 08 is correct but they must have an Emerging Nations Cup at the same time, in the same country. As for NZ hosting, in the 1980's Hastings - a small provincial union town hosted a match and they had 15,000 turn up. Give us plenty of time and we'll replicate that thoughout the country. There is a special events quango commission who just gave $500,000 for a small code to host a World Championship in NZ. New Zealand Rugby League is in major restructuring mode but the Auckland Rugby League are on a roll now that their beloved Carlaw Park has been developed for commercial return. The Warriors are rocking. Other leagues are not strong so an independent commissioner would be needed to run such an event. I am the editor of the local league magazine and I can do the job but I'd add to the mix a Commission that might include many names in NZRL I can get a list of 100 together without too much trouble - Robleaguenut (Robin Smith) Auckland, New Zealand

I think NZ would be capable of hosting a WC. I am of the opinion that a 'four nations' tournament bsed in NZ would be a good gauge as to whether they would manage. Play games not just in Auckland and Wellington but other towns such as cristchurch, dunedin, etc. If a world cup was held in NZ it would not just be to accomodate the RL towns like aukland but to spreade it all across NZ.

Russia? im not so sure, dont get me wrong i would love to see it but there would be problems a few of which i could name now.

1. RL needs to make money out of WC and even though the game might be growing in russia do you really think the WC would be able to pull 20-30000 crowds for pool games or 50000+ crowds for finals? Whereas in Australia or england maybe even france or NZ by then there would be great crowds. I'll be honest even if the game continues growing over there i still would think you would get a crowd of 25000 max for the final.

2. From what i here travel cost is pretty expensive and money is one think RL is short on.

3. Russia is a huge country and if players had to travel from one end to another they would be prone to fatigue and therefor the game quality would be less.

IMO russia would need to make its league fully pro and get crowds of 5000 to their games before i would consider hosting a WC there.

jim_57:

I think NZ would be capable of hosting a WC. I am of the opinion that a 'four nations' tournament bsed in NZ would be a good gauge as to whether they would manage. Play games not just in Auckland and Wellington but other towns such as cristchurch, dunedin, etc. If a world cup was held in NZ it would not just be to accomodate the RL towns like aukland but to spreade it all across NZ.

Russia? im not so sure, dont get me wrong i would love to see it but there would be problems a few of which i could name now.

1. RL needs to make money out of WC and even though the game might be growing in russia do you really think the WC would be able to pull 20-30000 crowds for pool games or 50000+ crowds for finals? Whereas in Australia or england maybe even france or NZ by then there would be great crowds. I'll be honest even if the game continues growing over there i still would think you would get a crowd of 25000 max for the final.

2. From what i here travel cost is pretty expensive and money is one think RL is short on.

3. Russia is a huge country and if players had to travel from one end to another they would be prone to fatigue and therefor the game quality would be less.

IMO russia would need to make its league fully pro and get crowds of 5000 to their games before i would consider hosting a WC there.

 

some good points jim

i cant imagine crowds of more than 10/15k especially not for group matches

it would have to be subsidised by the RLIF and maybe locals/schoolkids given free tickets

but as for your 3rd point, i think any WC in russia woud be based in and around the moscow area

catalanc:

jim_57:

I think NZ would be capable of hosting a WC. I am of the opinion that a 'four nations' tournament bsed in NZ would be a good gauge as to whether they would manage. Play games not just in Auckland and Wellington but other towns such as cristchurch, dunedin, etc. If a world cup was held in NZ it would not just be to accomodate the RL towns like aukland but to spreade it all across NZ.

Russia? im not so sure, dont get me wrong i would love to see it but there would be problems a few of which i could name now.

1. RL needs to make money out of WC and even though the game might be growing in russia do you really think the WC would be able to pull 20-30000 crowds for pool games or 50000+ crowds for finals? Whereas in Australia or england maybe even france or NZ by then there would be great crowds. I'll be honest even if the game continues growing over there i still would think you would get a crowd of 25000 max for the final.

2. From what i here travel cost is pretty expensive and money is one think RL is short on.

3. Russia is a huge country and if players had to travel from one end to another they would be prone to fatigue and therefor the game quality would be less.

IMO russia would need to make its league fully pro and get crowds of 5000 to their games before i would consider hosting a WC there.

 

some good points jim

i cant imagine crowds of more than 10/15k especially not for group matches

quite right catalanc i really dont think the wc08 will be pulling anything like 20,000 for group games, only the final being in brisbane is making me think it will sell out, because it wouldnt in sydney or the UK

as for NZ hosting the next world cup - theres a thread going debating the fact that RL is the 14 most popular sport in NZ, not really the place you would hold the WC ANY   World cup outside the UK or Aus would be suicide and nothing is changing to make me think diffrent