dogged:

oh and the international aspect lacking in AFL...so what...many/most posrts are not 'international'..doesn't mean a thing...and by the way if you think League is any more international that AFL you're the one telling porkies...neither is an international sport - only RL pretends to be... 

Rugby League is more globalised than Australian Rules Football.  There are at least two professional Rugby League competitions played around the world: one in Australia and one in England.  Semi-professional Rugby League competitions are held in Australia, New Zealand, England, France, Russia and a few other countries.

The AFL is the only profesional Australian Rules Football league competition.  The various state-based Australian Rules Football competitions in Australia are semi-professional.  Apart from this, I think there are just a few amateur competitions played in New Zealand, the Pacific Islands, North America and a few countries from Europe and south-east Asia.

At least three countries are capable of winning the Rugby League World Cup.  The Australian Rules Football World Cup doesn't allow Australia to compete in it.  The reason?  Australia would thrash all of their opponents.  If Australia fielded a side that contained its best amateur players, and held a game between them and a "Rest of World" Australian Rules Football side, the Australians would win.

The European Super League and National Rugby League draw higher crowd attendances than any other domestic Rugby Union competition. Rugby League is one of the more popular sports on Sky Television and Foxtel.

Therefore, based on the aforementioned facts, I believe it is far to conclude that Rugby League is more globalised than Australian Rules Football.

jim_57:

Now even though you won't admit it NRL and AFL are about even as the number 1 football code in the country, RL is the most popular sport in NSW and QLD aswell as ACT, whilst AFL is the most popular sport in WA, SA and Victoria, now observe the following:

Populations

NSW - 6,817,100
QLD - 4,264,590
VIC - 5,188,100
SA - 1,581,400
WA - 2,105,800
NT - 215,000
ACT - 336,400
TAS - 492,700

So by my calculations league areas have a population of 11.5 million, whilst AFL heartland is 9.5 million.

So just because your the most popular in the most states doesn't mean AFL is tyhe is all and end all of australian sport.

Are your seriously using this argument?!...mate the obvious flaw is that you assume that NSW/QLD are equally engaged as supporters from WA/SA/Vic/Tas/NT... the proof is in the pudding - they are not....what the point of having 55% of the population if 10% of them follow RL - give me 45% with 40% following AFL (I'm making up the numbers but you get the drift - hopefully)....the AFL membership dwarfs the NRL club memberships as does the AFL competition revenue - which even Gallaop himself concedes....I'm not going to bother trying to follow your ducking and weaving through various stats and your warped views - the very bottom line - total revenue- your own leader (Gallop) concedes it trails - he has also conceded the nRL trails in broadcasting revenue and that this is because RL trails in "some key measures"...mate seriously you are the one walking out on a plank with ridiculous assertions not even Gallop woudl defend...the NRL is way behind....you need to do a bit of simple googling and you will find NRL administration admitting to this publically....if you're too lazy to do this don't expect me to spoonfeed you.....

 "Also on a recent fox sports poll that asked the question "what is the best Football code in australia?" the results were strongly in favour of league. I didn't catch the end results but after about a month league were about 35% whilst AFL was linbgering back at about 22%, union was about 5% and remarkably soccer was ahead of all."

This Foxsports argument is a bit like what Roy Masters harps on and on...and on...and on about....mate how dumb are you?...all those numbers tell you is that people watching RLeague are funelled into pay TV - whereas a greater proportion of AFL viewers continue to take in their football on free to air....the figures you're quoting are about as warped as your outlook....the true objective measure of numbers is the bottom line broadcasting deal  - and the AFL receives roughly 30% more than the NRL as many of the whining articvles form Roy Masters point out...he might not be smart enough to work out why and think it is unfair, but even Roy Masters concedes the AFL is about 30% ahead....

 RL is no juggernaut......it's actually facing challenges as the link I said shows...and as some club CEOs are warning (Parramatta for example)...pokie revenue is being challenged due to the smoking ban and increased state taxes...for you to say juggernaut means you have no idea...and makr my words the Storm be gone within 10 years 

 

 

oikee:

can tell you i have never been to a aussie rules game, but i have heard people say that they have been and like it, so what, its a victorian game and thats the main reason to never like the game, call me one eyed , i call it loyalty, like victorians think about a.f.l .

Victorians, South Australians and Tasmanians tend to be pretty narrow-minded.  Us Queenslanders and New South Welshmen tend to be far more open-minded and accpeting.  I base this on the fact that Queenslanders and New South Welshman adopt all the codes of football, while the southern states are far too focused on Australian Rules Football.

Another thing I have noticed is a lot of the Victorians who migrate to Queensland tend to look down on us.  I knew one lot who refused to speak to their neighbours because they thought Queenslanders were second-class citizens.  My sister met a Melbournian tourist while she was living in London.  The Melbournian was nice until she learned that my sister was from Brisbane.

Therefore, I can understand your loyalty.  I share your loyalty in many aspects.  The hate-filled, elitist attitude that is held by a large amount of Victorians is nauseating.  It's why I will never say a nice word about Melbourne, never visit the place, and never endorse any of the international sporting events that are held there.

dogged:

 it's your loss oikee if you won't even go to a game to see what it's like...you lose - you miss out...and by the way you did miss a very good game this w/end which was Lions v Collingwood

The majority of us Queenslanders who care one iota about sport were watching the Cowboys vs Broncos match, not the Lions vs Magpies one.  In fact, the Cowboys vs Broncos match was talked about throughout Brisbane, Townsville and the other major urban centres in Queensland.  Few people were speaking about the Lions vs Magpies match.

I was doing alright by myself here, dogged is ok, he is just a loyal fan thats all, just want to say one thing about the loss of our 2 clubs in W.A and South oz, yes we lost a few million, well news did, but they did not worry about it as it had no effect, we starting growing again and are getting back to normal now, but think about what that dumbarse Demetrie is doing, he is pumping a hundred million into sydney and probably another heap of cash for the coast, hehe , keep spending big because when the cash runs out, gallop will strike.

And believe me dogged, when you are down on your knees, we wont stop sinking the boot in till your nose is bleeding. Everyone already knows that perth are coming back into the comp, well they know, why do you think that they have a team getting ready to go? Dont try to brainwash us , you are losing all your fans to soccer not league, go and get the soccer fans to convert to ariel ping pong, hehe

3Lions, you are dead right, i said to my wife that her boss must be happy, she told me no why should he , i said well the lions won as well on the weekend, you know what she said to me, " oh, he's a Collingwood supporter" ?    What the !!!! 

Mexicans, hope we dont get to many more coming north , and i could imagine how pathetic they are, going overseas with there little shorts on trying to convert some poor african nation. They must think the T/V rights are going to hit the roof, 

Also about the T/V rights , they must nearly be about at there peak now for A.F.L , at lest league has plenty of more growth in this area, and dogged yes the poll was done on fox , and the people paying for fox are the reason why we are going to get better deals, this is our membership money to league you fool, i had noticed that rules are going backwoods in the ratings on fox, haha

dogged:

jim_57:

Now even though you won't admit it NRL and AFL are about even as the number 1 football code in the country, RL is the most popular sport in NSW and QLD aswell as ACT, whilst AFL is the most popular sport in WA, SA and Victoria, now observe the following:

Populations

NSW - 6,817,100
QLD - 4,264,590
VIC - 5,188,100
SA - 1,581,400
WA - 2,105,800
NT - 215,000
ACT - 336,400
TAS - 492,700

So by my calculations league areas have a population of 11.5 million, whilst AFL heartland is 9.5 million.

So just because your the most popular in the most states doesn't mean AFL is tyhe is all and end all of australian sport.

Are your seriously using this argument?!...mate the obvious flaw is that you assume that NSW/QLD are equally engaged as supporters from WA/SA/Vic/Tas/NT... the proof is in the pudding - they are not....what the point of having 55% of the population if 10% of them follow RL - give me 45% with 40% following AFL (I'm making up the numbers but you get the drift - hopefully)....the AFL membership dwarfs the NRL club memberships as does the AFL competition revenue - which even Gallaop himself concedes....I'm not going to bother trying to follow your ducking and weaving through various stats and your warped views - the very bottom line - total revenue- your own leader (Gallop) concedes it trails - he has also conceded the nRL trails in broadcasting revenue and that this is because RL trails in "some key measures"...mate seriously you are the one walking out on a plank with ridiculous assertions not even Gallop woudl defend...the NRL is way behind....you need to do a bit of simple googling and you will find NRL administration admitting to this publically....if you're too lazy to do this don't expect me to spoonfeed you.....

 "Also on a recent fox sports poll that asked the question "what is the best Football code in australia?" the results were strongly in favour of league. I didn't catch the end results but after about a month league were about 35% whilst AFL was linbgering back at about 22%, union was about 5% and remarkably soccer was ahead of all."

This Foxsports argument is a bit like what Roy Masters harps on and on...and on...and on about....mate how dumb are you?...all those numbers tell you is that people watching RLeague are funelled into pay TV - whereas a greater proportion of AFL viewers continue to take in their football on free to air....the figures you're quoting are about as warped as your outlook....the true objective measure of numbers is the bottom line broadcasting deal  - and the AFL receives roughly 30% more than the NRL as many of the whining articvles form Roy Masters point out...he might not be smart enough to work out why and think it is unfair, but even Roy Masters concedes the AFL is about 30% ahead....

 RL is no juggernaut......it's actually facing challenges as the link I said shows...and as some club CEOs are warning (Parramatta for example)...pokie revenue is being challenged due to the smoking ban and increased state taxes...for you to say juggernaut means you have no idea...and makr my words the Storm be gone within 10 years 

Ok i will start applauding druzik, i have to admit the man knows more than me and try arguing against him, he knows everything and i noticed you steered away from that.

Now back to my argument with you, mate just because only 20,000 people turn up to RL games in NSW doesn't mean that only 10% of people love the game, get up there and have a look around, QLD is even worse, i would say atleast 45% of people are RL fans, go on whinge about this too but i live in QLD and i can honestly tell you i only know 6 people in total who prefer AFL to league, 2 are ex-victorians, other than that i know 100's of people who support RL. In CQ there are 50+ secondary schools RL teams, and every primary school has a RL team, infact no primary schools have AFL teams, gracemere SS put together an AFL team only because their, well our teacher was an AFL nut, if you were to ask that whole team today which sport they prefer all but 2 would say League, including me, the full forward, kicked the most goals in our 1 game BTW, now there are about 4 secondary school AFL teams, go figure. No to say that onlt 10% of people in NSW and QLD support RL then that would be by far the dumbest thing you have said so far.

How dumb am I? ahah i'd say there a good change im smarter than you, i mean what do you hope to achieve getting on a RL forum moaning on and on about why RL will die and AFL will become our all mighty conquerer that rules the land. Seriously, if you are still stuck in the 90's and think the storm are going to be gone then well that's your loss, i won't be the one swaeting on something that won't happen. I won't be stressing about AFL taking over QLD and NSW because i know it will not happen, atleast not for a long time, im predicting by then RL could be the most popular sport in Vic, Antarctica could have a city and NZ could be a state of australia, who knows. I know AFL will go to west sydney and GC but im not going to stress because since AFL entered league heartland league crowds have grown not diminished.

go on keep admiting that league is way off AFL but hey, what does league have to prove to you, nothing, league is a juggernaut just as much as the AFL. League is within 10% of AFL since we're using percentages, if you don't realise this you need to get out and see the real world instead of dwelling on an article. as for the fox sports poll, AFL have live games on there too idiot, what you think only NRL fans get fox? come on. If you're sticking to that sh*t have a look at union, fox has all S14 games yet they only get 5% of the vote,hmmmm. The fox sports poll is an austrlian wide vote, not just NSW and QLD so if you think Victorians, and South Aussies and West Aussies didn't vote then, well, you would be straight out wrong there dogged.

jim_57:

Ok i will start applauding druzik, i have to admit the man knows more than me and try arguing against him, he knows everything and i noticed you steered away from that.

Mate, I would never claim that, some thing I know, some are my own thoughts and opinions and if someone else can prove to me that I am wrong I am happy to concede defeat and change my mind... actually over the last three years my views on many things League, AFL, Life Universe and everything have changed part of life.

Look I think there are probably valid points from all parties and on both sides of the argument, but I have said on other threads I think we want to avoid getting into any personal slagging off.

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as they say you can lead a horse to water...inorance is one thing but you are ignorant of your own ignorance...and perhaps that is fine - as they say ignorance is bliss - go one thinking RL is some sort of juggernaut that will expand...as i said before this delusion is harmless...pointless but harmless

as i said mate, your own RL leaders (Gallop) amd RL journos (Masters/Gould) accept that RLeague is trailing the AFL sigificantly....why would I waste any more breath on you?...

Well same goes here, if you are ignorant enough to think RL won't expand just because it failed in the past because of SL war well then so be it, you are guilty of ignorance aswell. If you don't think it'll happen so be it, but only time will tell and i'm confident RL will expand, they have foot holds in place in perth with the Reds back in the Jim Beam cup with possible promotion to QLD cup and eventually NRL, so if you think I'm thinking we can just walk straight into well, no i don't, i think the ground work needs to be put in first and it has already been started, still there is alot to do but come 4,5,6 years i'd say perth will be ready.

Mate Gallop admited that AFL is ahead of league in revenue, not popularity. I admited this myself in an earlier post, the one thing AFL has done right over the years is membership and it is only now league is starting to follow suit and look for massive crowds increases in years to come. Popularity wise i would say about even, the fox sports poll was a good gauge, whether you admit it or not, i mean a few AFL fans might have voted for soccer, aswell as some NRL fans seeing it was A-league season, still though results don't lie.

Anyway this argument has blown up over nothing. I've said what i believe and you said what you believe and i think any more arguing and we're both repeating ourselfs.

The thing is jim, rugby league is big in 2 states, QLD and New South Wales, aussie rules is only big in Victoria, and you know as well as me we dont even count the other 2 states, but we do now think about T/V deals and this is why we are going to expand, the reason A.F.L wants to expand another 2 teams is to get more veiwers watching that crap on T.V, but if they looked at there fox sports results then they know they are in for a hiding, we dont watch the stupid game, along with union and soccer they are flogging a dead horse, we love our local derbies and state of origin in league and this is going from strength to strength. Aussie rules bores the crap outta me because skills are non exsistant, you just fumble and run and kick, this is the next sport to go down hill like rugby union, take on league at your own peril, look at soccer in england, league is growing at there expence. We have the best product dogged, get use to it, your aussie rules is a crap product. You lost mollie meldrum and even the prime ministers number 1 is backing league.Julian Gillard.

The best you have got is sammy newman and he is a goose, not a good way to get support.Just get used to your game being a state sport dogged, and drop the aussie and make it state rule.With no rules.!!

Watch him cry when league is number 1 australian sport, yeahaa. And soccer number 2, yeah baby.!!! Once you lose the mantel dogged theres no turning back. Even in america where they have 50 years gain on us we will beat them for T/V deals, year haa. Dogged , go to a soccer forum and watch them give it to you. They are turning on you in your own state, hehehehe Top of the world, yeah right, your nearest friend is a penguin.

Interesting article on Soccer fans disolusion with soccer.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/33418/Pack-your-WAGs-cut-wage-packets

 

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dogged:

as they say you can lead a horse to water...inorance is one thing but you are ignorant of your own ignorance...and perhaps that is fine - as they say ignorance is bliss - go one thinking RL is some sort of juggernaut that will expand...as i said before this delusion is harmless...pointless but harmless

If the NRL markets the game properly, then it has the potential to develop a keen following in areas such as Perth and New Zealand.

Western Australians do watch the NRL on Fox Sports.  The Western Australian Rugby League (WARL) has existed since 1948.*

Therefore, it's going to be easier to set up an NRL franchise in Perth than it is to set one up in Melbourne.  The main problem with a Perth-based franchise is the distance between it and the sides based on the eastern coastline.  It was one of the main reasons behind the relocation of the Western Reds to Melbourne for the 1998 season.

dogged:

as i said mate, your own RL leaders (Gallop) amd RL journos (Masters/Gould) accept that RLeague is trailing the AFL sigificantly....why would I waste any more breath on you?...

The Sydney-based clubs are struggling because there are too many of them located within Greater Sydney's Local Government Areas.  The Melbourne-based AFL sides are struggling for the exact same reason.  It's why Fitzroy were merged with the Bears, Footscray struggled and North Melbourne were urged by the AFL to relocate to the Gold Coast.

"Since the 1990s the Western Bulldogs have struggled for membership and financially, avoiding folding or merging with another club through heavy subsidisation from the AFL as part of a competitive balance fund."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footscray_Bulldogs#Membership_base

As you can see, the AFL has its own dilemmas to worry about.

* Disclaimer: Dennotes the correction of a typing mistake. 

England 3 Lions:

Western Australians do watch the NRL on Fox Sports.  The Western Australian Rugby League (WARL) has existed since 1848.

ahhhh are you sure... its not a typo is it ;) RL wasn't even thought about then let alone RU codified! But this is academic agree with E3L. 

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No, he is dead right druzik, in fact it was my gr, gr, gr, ,gr grand dad who arrived on the shores of perth back in 1848 and grabbed that ball and run with it.

Why dont we create some *** and bull story like the A.F.L do and just make it up as we go along, we get to cellebrate 200 years in another 40, hehe

Thing about the perth team now is that all the teams are travelling long distances now with the cowboys in the comp, and new zealand, its 4 hours over their by plane, so a 6 hour perth flight is nothing now. No i still think perth is a definate to get in, and also another coast team, sunshine or central.