you're mixed up as well...AFL is not a game - it is the name of the national competition...the game is football..Australian Football League....Cartlon Football Club....Collingwood Football Club....WA Football League....we play football not AFL - this is a bagde NSW and QLD people use incorrrectly...outside of northern NSW and QLD the game is called football....and the other football code is called soccer despite them not liking that name...

Why even give this guy an audience & reply to his AFL dribble? I really don't understand what he is trying to achieve. No-one is going to suddenly turn around & agree with him & say yes, AFL the "Great Australian Game" is better, the same as he will never be turned off kick'n'giggle. So let him just keep posting until he is bored, because I am!

 Swamp

Not any longer dogged, your game is now called by its original name, ariel ping pong, why? because soccer is now called football, so like it or not, you sorry suckers have to change your name, hehe, and i have heard you want to get rid off that silly little girly bouncy ball you do at the start of the game, the way you guys are going you only need to add water and we can call your game syncronised swimming. hehe..

Go away, your arguments are boring everyone senseless on here, We have international coverage for our world game, what you got, expats , braindead expats.

dogged:

you're mixed up as well...AFL is not a game - it is the name of the national competition...the game is football..Australian Football League....Cartlon Football Club....Collingwood Football Club....WA Football League....we play football not AFL - this is a bagde NSW and QLD people use incorrrectly...outside of northern NSW and QLD the game is called football....and the other football code is called soccer despite them not liking that name...

I'm mixed up, yeh sure whatever you say. You think AFL is the only sport that is called Football. I think soccer has a better right to the name football than AFL. Besides I could supply you with a list of RL clubs that have FC after there name but what would that prove, i'll give you 1 Hull FC.

dogged:

whatever mate...."rely on them"....whatever you say .....look without very much further effort i reckon it'd be very easy to whittle your small list of 6 countries down even further...

so what if a country's national team can rely on that person big deal - what does this tell us...all this this says is the RL is played in countries that have diverse populations bases- Aust, NZ and Englan all have diverse populations drawn from many couintire throuh migration....that is all you list tells us - not that these players made it as a professional level players in those local countires or that they played RL in those countries and advanced to NRL from those countries.... you've tried to use this historical accident (RL played in countires like Aust with diverse populations) to dishonestly imply that RL has this great reach when in fact it clearly does not....

if Australia wasn't a migrant based country you woudln't even have a *ull*hit story to be deluded about .....as it is that is all you have - a *ull*hit story about international expenasion that not even you really beleive...

OK then so we have pro clubs in 6 countries, thats a small list? well i would rather that than, oh say 1!!! Come on show me some research and name the 6 countries that have pro clubs for me? Also I'm pretty sure the AMNRL is Semi-pro.

Now moving on, i really do think you are forgeting what the word "expansion" means. AFL IS expanding outside of australia, what thbey play 10 or countries. Now RL is expanding outside of Australia, England and NZ, here's a few countries that have set up domestic comps in the last few years; Germany, Serbia (Semi-Pro), Netherlands, Italy (re-established), South Africa (Now wide-spread), Jamaica and more. Again there would be more I'm not sure of. Now small or not this is "expansion" and RL is an International Sport, technically AFL is aswell, so you can't deny it, if it's played in more than 1 country it's international, and RL is played in some capacity by over 50 countries. Again this is the same old argument I've been over 5 times with you and i would say your reply will be the same old sh*t. Now you proclaim NFL has no aspiration of being international, well go onto their WC site and see if they agree.

So I think I might take the advice of Swamp here, I'm sick of going through this sh*t and I think the best way to get rid of you dogged would be for rugbyadmin to ban you, but since he would have done it by now i think it's best everyone ignores you. So keep on Crapping on and on and on about AFL all you want.

dogged:

you're mixed up as well...AFL is not a game - it is the name of the national competition...the game is football..Australian Football League....Cartlon Football Club....Collingwood Football Club....WA Football League....we play football not AFL - this is a bagde NSW and QLD people use incorrrectly...outside of northern NSW and QLD the game is called football....and the other football code is called soccer despite them not liking that name...

Australian Rules Football is a code of football.  It's not the game of football.

There are many codes of football.

They are:

• Rugby League
• Rugby Union
• Association Football (Soccer)
• Canadian Football
• American Football
• Gaelic Footbal
• Australian Rules Football

There are probably a few other codes of football, too.

Referring to one of the codes as "football" and saying that the other codes AREN'T football is deceiving.  It's vaguely similar to referring to Twenty20 cricket as "cricket" and saying that Test cricket isn't cricket.

The average person's definition of football is influenced by the popularity of the football codes that are played in their area.  A lot of Queenslanders, New South Welshmen and northern Englishman refer to Rugby League as "football".  They do so because it's the football code that they know the most about.  Some of them are unaware of the other codes' history.

dogged:

whatever mate...."rely on them"....whatever you say .....look without very much further effort i reckon it'd be very easy to whittle your small list of 6 countries down even further...

so what if a country's national team can rely on that person big deal - what does this tell us...all this this says is the RL is played in countries that have diverse populations bases- Aust, NZ and Englan all have diverse populations drawn from many couintire throuh migration....that is all you list tells us - not that these players made it as a professional level players in those local countires or that they played RL in those countries and advanced to NRL from those countries.... you've tried to use this historical accident (RL played in countires like Aust with diverse populations) to dishonestly imply that RL has this great reach when in fact it clearly does not....

if Australia wasn't a migrant based country you woudln't even have a *ull*hit story to be deluded about .....as it is that is all you have - a *ull*hit story about international expenasion that not even you really beleive...

 

 

AFL worldwide is the dominant sport in under half of one country and thats it.

 

come back to me when AFL can get over the 50% for australia.

 

watch out WC at the end of the year and see something AwFuL will never have.

 

along with origin and a club in the Gold Coast like the titans. 

unlike other sports which have derived from an english origin, AFL is the one sport that was derived from england yet has no international presence.  RU, cricket, RL and soccer all have spread around the world to some degree.

 

AFL came from english origins and hasnt expanded anywhere.  indeed its lost territory in PNG and canberra.

 

100 years ago AFL was dreaming of expanding to queensland and nsw and taking on the dominant rugby code.  a century on and nothing has changed.

 

 

the AFLs expansion plans in queensland going up in a puff of smoke :

 

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/sport/gabba-home-for-new-team/2008/04/23/1208743028139.html

 

meanwhile for RL we have :

 

http://www.pbase.com/richdeb/skilled_stadium

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22777021-10389,00.html

 

 

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2008/04/25/10415_gold-coast-top-story.html

Nice crowd turned up to a game of afl in melbourne on anzac day, 90 thousand, shame the match was very ordinary as ussaul with a score line of 100 points difference. Just goes to show how pathetic the one-eyed victorians are. They think by having big crowds they are showing how dominate the sport is, just makes them look all that more insecure about there sport,

The broncos match against the rabbits is how sport should be played, a top of the table clash against a bottom team, and a healthy crowd but not a sellout crowd, now this is the way sport should be played, big crowds for big occasions, they just turn up for any occasion and makes them look stupid when the game is a laughing stock. I would have been bored stupid at that match, And who would watch it? I watched the broncos game and it was a sizzler.

Sit back afl and watch how we do it in origin, big crowd , intense games, and passion flowing like you have never seen before. 

Look our big games are origin and the grand final, and this is the times we support the game, also leading up to this event the numbers grow, it gives you the build-up type atmosphere and gets your juices going, Melbournes grand final would be like just any other weekend, hehe.

"The fledgling club [new Gold Coast AFL Club] is still fighting an uphill battle to break a contract that will force it to play at The Gabba until 2015."

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/sport/gabba-home-for-new-team/2008/04/23/1208743028139.html

Sounds a little bit like the Bears' story in reverse. The reason I say a "little bit" is because half of the club's games will be played on the Gold Coast.  Only the blockbuster games are to be played at the Gabba.

The Bears were based on the Gold Coast for awhile.  They were an utter failure, too.

 

 

I don't know why we are suffering this halfwit 'dogged' and the utter garbage that has spewed forth from him. He is trying to 'glamourise' a sport that is so pathetically boring that the only reason it gets headlines is from some thug dropping someone illegally unlike RL that gets headlines for all the right reasons such as our 'Team of the Century', the amazing early season form of the Titans or Billy Slater making his test debut in coming weeks.

Seriously, this is a sport that only Victorians, Sandgropers and Croweaters are truly serious about and let's be honest, if it wasn't for the Lions and Swans, no one in the northern states would give a sh*t about it - as it is, it's only expats up here that care anyway.

This 'sport' will never be played seriously at an International ever so why do we care what this numb nuts thinks??? If only three nations ever play it seriously (Aus, Eng & NZ) then that's still three more nations that play this code at an international compared to Aussie Fools.

Forget his drivel and move on lads - it's a non-contest.

saying australian football derived form england is dishonest like most of your points...it came from Victoria, Aust roughly 100 years or so after the first settlement ...Aust didn't colonise the world like england - read my previous post...you have proved nothing and your claims about RL international expansion are hollow and meaningless accidents of history in tersm of proving your point..so what....I'm not repeating myself at length about this again....

RL expansion is all to do with it being spread by the English and nothing to do with supposed popularity...it has spread far less in fact than the other english games  -cricket, RUnion, soccer and so on...you highlight a weakness not a strength of RL...and you're just re-hashing and trying to re-interpret a point I've already made....and if your refer to your own RL historians, one of the main reasons it is thought NSW didn't take up the aussie rules was due to rivalry between the Sydney and Malbourne colonies - Sydney had its nose out of joint becasue at the turn of the century Melbourne was actually the larger colony...so RL arose in part due to sibling rivalry and a reluctance to take on the 'Victorian game' when in fact most of Australia did - WA, SA, Tasi, NT all played it...... 

RL has a long track record of failed expansions - and a very modest level of success overall, here and oevrseas...aussie rules has a very good level of success expanding here and no formal plan for overseas (and nothing planned)....the AFL is embarking on two of tis riskiest ventures in Gold Coast and Western Sydney but given these population centres are predicted to outgrow places like perth and Adel in long term as economicly significant centres, the AFL has made the right call - they need to be in these markets and they will be....the largest population centres the AFL will NOT be in is probably Tasi and then Canberra (and the AFL will never put teams here because they are too small - so after teh latest expansion they will stop for a while)....

the NRL is missing major cities like Perth and Adel from it's competition - how on earth can you claim to have a NATIONAL competition with no Adel and no Perth - both cities well over 1 million people (perth is well on the way to 2 million people)...yet tiny places like Townsville and Canberra are in??...doesn't make much sense...how can you say NATIONAL RL with a straight face.....nothing national about it - it's bascially NSWRL with a few QLD teams (and non viable teams in NZ and Vic that will eventually fall off the perch)....the AFL's model is much better...after 2012 they'll be playing live games every w/end in every mainland state capital ....now that's at least a got to be a start to being a 'national' competition....   

Gold Coast has issues with stadium deals etc...but not deal breakers...the aFL is in it for the long term -  and I presume the Gold Coast commuinity and Gold Coast council will welcome and AFL team for the local spin-off benefits in terms of employment, entertainment and sporting opportunity for its kids...the Gold Coast will do fine - it is nothing like the Bears - different time and place - this team will be based in and committed to Gold Coast and not a bunch of transplanted Fitzroy players...and this time the AFL has loads more money and is committed to making it work...

and yes this is all a bit boring....i keep having to repeat myself to respond to the saem incorrect and mindless moronic mantra...unless there are any new lies I don't think I'll bother....i think i've effectively exposed most of the old lies and the most common lies.... 

You are an absolute muppet! Perth being well on the way to 2m people indeed?!?!?! It's barely got 1.5m people and for Adelaide, the pop. there is in decline and FYI, models show that the Gold Coast will surpass Adelaide and Perth in population by 2020. I've never known a 'know-it-all' to know so little factual information. And the remark about Townsville and Canberra being tiny - Canberra has 330k+ and Townsville is on the way to 200k, I'd hardly consider them 'tiny' places based on the fact that they both fall into the Top 15 most heavily populated cities in Australia.

As for RL going national, talks and pre-planning are already underway for Perth's re-entry into the NRL and I'd suggest that based on info. I've gotten from a mate of mine who works with the WARL that it will happen by 2015. The first steps have been made with the 'Reds' participating in the Toyota Cup U/20 comp. and I can tell you from having lived in the west that RL is indeed alive and very very well.

The facts of the matter are pretty simple mate. AFL is very much like Gaelic Football and other such 'nation specific' sporting codes. It has a passionate following in the country of it's origin but will never more been seen as anything but a gimick sport anywhere else on the planet. Rugby League on the other hand, has serious followings in Countries outside the big 3 and will continue to grow and expand in massive nations like France, USA and Russia where the code will, in our lifetimes, become fully professional and have massive followings and audiences due to the massive populations of these countries. 

Aussie Rules is a tired and largely non-interesting code and as far as I and many of my bretheren that have been following this conversation, the southern/western staters of this country are welcome to their sad little insular code because the truth is, no other country on the planet could be bothered.

 

don't hold your breath...WA will never have a team...it hasn't got the finanacial strength...RLeague missed its chance - Force is there now and they'll make a fist of it....and if you know anythying about WA you will know that AFL people like RUnion far more than RLeague....it's a more strategic game and aussies people respect this and can get into it....and they do like the genuinely international aspect of RUnion (not the pretend international teams of RLeague)...the monotony 'five tackles followed by a kick' of RL just never caught on in perth...

I was living in perth at the time and even went to a Western Reds games....very hyped but i thought i'd give it a go - what a disappointment and what a boring couple of games I witnessed!!! - reminds me of the 85,000 people that went to the MCG one year to see State of Origin and halfway through the second half a chant of boring went up around the ground - people had paid good  money to come and be entertained and were bored stiff!!!...the next year MCG attendance for SOO went down to about 40K and the year after that about 25K...people were so botred eventually they stayed way!!!....the fact is people in Vic, WA, and SA do give RLeague a go but bottom line is that the game is so bloody boring - there is too little variation from one play to the next and it's all so predictable - and all very boring....