jim_57:

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones dogged. You cannot credibly critise RL expansion when the AFL has failed to expand outside of VICtoria, WA and SA succesfully let alone any other country. Let's count RL playing nations that can rely on Professional players to turn out when they play.

1. Australia
2. NZ
3. PNG
4. Tonga
5. Fiji
6. Samoa
7. Cook Islands
8. Lebanon
9. Russia
10. USA
11. Wales
12. Ireland
13. Scotland
14. Portugal
15. Malta
16. France
17. England
18. Greece
19. Morrocco

There is proably more, now RL countries that can rely on Semi-Pro players

1. Serbia
2. Japan
3. South Africa
4. Italy

the list could go on an on.

Ok add to that RL is played professionally and smi-pro in over 10 countries, i'm not sure of the exact amount.

Just because you tell yourself you don't want AFL played internationally doesn't mean the AFL does, last time i checked you weren't the AFL. Why do you think AFL does things like play in UAE and take camps to SA to try to expand, if they didn't have interest of expanding they wouldn't bother now would they?

 Why did I bring up the AFL WC? well because you were critisising the RLWC weren't you? so you're allowed to make straight out BS comments about the RLWC when you're WC is a laughing stock. FFS a Regional team from Queensland could win the thing. Like I said live in a glass house, don't throw stones.

"AFL would not trade their 18 team comp for everything RL has" lol now that is the stupidest thing you have ever said. Again "you" wouln't and the last time i checked you weren't the AFL. Unless, is that you Demetrio? if it is don't be afraid to tell us, come on. The AFL would like to expand outside of Australia i bet.

 Since this is an "expansion" thread i will remind you that expansion does not stop at the Coast of Australia. So in hind sight in the 113 after RL started in England and 150 years after AFL was started in australia, who has come further in World expansion I wonder? hmmm

 

 

and lets be honest, AFL has hardly expanded east of victoria.  a couple of mickey mouse clubs that  lose money is hardly the example of a healthy national competition given the sport is such a poor rater on TV for a majority of australia.

 

across the whole world all AFL has is victoria, adealide and WA. 

So according to you Dallymessenger, A.F.L would be better off swoping with "daylight" to get better coverage and become a real force, on top of this the 200 million spent on coast expansion and another 200 for the other sydney team, well in real dollars this will amount to half a billion by the time they finish, for what, nobody watches there silly game, so lets say they will waste half a billion, yipee. And league will get teams in other areas to open up there market more, and hope we get a team in p.n.g, could you imagine a extra 10 million veiwers a week? yipee

oikee:

So according to you Dallymessenger, A.F.L would be better off swoping with "daylight" to get better coverage and become a real force, on top of this the 200 million spent on coast expansion and another 200 for the other sydney team, well in real dollars this will amount to half a billion by the time they finish, for what, nobody watches there silly game, so lets say they will waste half a billion, yipee. And league will get teams in other areas to open up there market more, and hope we get a team in p.n.g, could you imagine a extra 10 million veiwers a week? yipee

 

AFL has reached saturation point in Australia and still its TV ratings are dwarfed by RL.

 

an nrl team in perth would add significantly to our tv deals via more opportunity for live games at 9.30 pm EST.

 

more clubs in queensland, central coast and wellington and how much bigger will RL get.

 

AFL had the advantage of a SL war to grow and it still cant outrate league.  

 

 

This is why they are desparate to expand, they know the next t/v deal will fold if they dont get more veiwers.

I was very impressed by the coverage of league, we need more memberships to get people to the games, but having said this the crowds are still growing and queensland teams are voting with there feet, when you think about how much more expansion we can acheive, you know the game has got lots of growth left around australia. Not to mention the growth we are seeing in the international arena.

jim I''m afraid you are severely deluded my friend....or hopefully you're just pulling my leg and don't beleive the nonsense you are posting...for your sake I hope the latter....and you back-slapping audience is even more deluded if they think you've made a decent point with your made up list...anyone can make up a list,...I can easily fire you a list of 20 countries where AFL has registered players and competitions and then falsely claim that all of these have 'professional' players...as usual you have proved nothing... less than nothing...and mate seriously get over the 'interantional expansion' argument - the AFL has actually formally come out and said it will NOT allocate significant funds to any of the international events like the South African camps, and the international ruels seriees involving other countries - they are not stupid (unlikne NRL) - the amount of funding that goes into this is deliberately very small  -probably around 1% of their revenue....it's done mainly on a humantirian basis really - to give people from other  coutnreis a chance to play and to engage kids from soem poorer countries (South Africa) into sport....to falsely claim that aFL has an international expansion desire and program and then knock them down for failure is just pure nonsense...of course they will fail at something they are not even trying to do you fool!!!.....i hope this clear enough for you to understand just how irrelevant your criticisms of AFL not being an international game are ....95% of sports are not internatioanl incidentally - you can list sports that have a legitimate claim to being 'international' on one hand you moron!!.....do you think all sports apart from 'international' sports will/should curl up and die?....in fact the opposite is the case - many of the healthiest sports competitions are intra-country not international...you are clueless..  

'professional' means players that derive income solely from their sport - through wages, sponsorships and everything associated with their sport....professional tennis players, golf players, athletes, basketball etc etc...in almost all the countries you've listed the RL players are amatuer - they have a day job and play RL for no wages or for nominal wages - constantly repeating the lies that they are professional does not make it true mate - please elighten us all and give me the name of ONE - only ONE professional RL player in USA and tell me what he earns..only ONE....while you're at it why not tell us what a typical RL player USA earns - what 50K a year?....more?..and the salary cap fo a USA team - what does the team earn - I reckon a whole team if it earns anything at all in terms of playing salaries would earn less than my wage (and that's not bragging about my wage - it's just saying these players would be lucky to get even enough to cover their basic playing expenses). ....I've had a very brief look at the supposed RL competitions in USA and they re clearly very much like the AFL competitions in USA, that is amatuer competitions held and run largely by ex-pats....I'm not running around saying AFL is played professioanlly in USA but the AFL competitions they have up running seem about on the same level as USA RLeague competitions...that is they are amatuer...anyway you are welcome to your USA delusion ....and to similar delusion about other countries...

and RL expanding further in 113 yrs than aussie rules in 150 yrs...yes this is true...and it is even more true of cricket, RUnion, tennis and so on....all these British sports have spread to the colonies of Britain you moron.....IF Victoria, Australia had colonised the world then guess what game they'd be playing you idiot?!....no prizes for making stupid illogical points I'm afraid... 

 

dogged:

jim I''m afraid you are severely deluded my friend....or hopefully you're just pulling my leg and don't beleive the nonsense you are posting...for your sake I hope the latter....and you back-slapping audience is even more deluded if they think you've made a decent point with your made up list...anyone can make up a list,...I can easily fire you a list of 20 countries where AFL has registered players and competitions and then falsely claim that all of these have 'professional' players...as usual you have proved nothing... less than nothing...and mate seriously get over the 'interantional expansion' argument - the AFL has actually formally come out and said it will NOT allocate significant funds to any of the international events like the South African camps, and the international ruels seriees involving other countries - they are not stupid (unlikne NRL) - the amount of funding that goes into this is deliberately very small  -probably around 1% of their revenue....it's done mainly on a humantirian basis really - to give people from other  coutnreis a chance to play and to engage kids from soem poorer countries (South Africa) into sport....to falsely claim that aFL has an international expansion desire and program and then knock them down for failure is just pure nonsense...of course they will fail at something they are not even trying to do you fool!!!.....i hope this clear enough for you to understand just how irrelevant your criticisms of AFL not being an international game are ....95% of sports are not internatioanl incidentally - you can list sports that have a legitimate claim to being 'international' on one hand you moron!!.....do you think all sports apart from 'international' sports will/should curl up and die?....in fact the opposite is the case - many of the healthiest sports competitions are intra-country not international...you are clueless..  

'professional' means players that derive income solely from their sport - through wages, sponsorships and everything associated with their sport....professional tennis players, golf players, athletes, basketball etc etc...in almost all the countries you've listed the RL players are amatuer - they have a day job and play RL for no wages or for nominal wages - constantly repeating the lies that they are professional does not make it true mate - please elighten us all and give me the name of ONE - only ONE professional RL player in USA and tell me what he earns..only ONE....while you're at it why not tell us what a typical RL player USA earns - what 50K a year?....more?..and the salary cap fo a USA team - what does the team earn - I reckon a whole team if it earns anything at all in terms of playing salaries would earn less than my wage (and that's not bragging about my wage - it's just saying these players would be lucky to get even enough to cover their basic playing expenses). ....I've had a very brief look at the supposed RL competitions in USA and they re clearly very much like the AFL competitions in USA, that is amatuer competitions held and run largely by ex-pats....I'm not running around saying AFL is played professioanlly in USA but the AFL competitions they have up running seem about on the same level as USA RLeague competitions...that is they are amatuer...anyway you are welcome to your USA delusion ....and to similar delusion about other countries...

and RL expanding further in 113 yrs than aussie rules in 150 yrs...yes this is true...and it is even more true of cricket, RUnion, tennis and so on....all these British sports have spread to the colonies of Britain you moron.....IF Victoria, Australia had colonised the world then guess what game they'd be playing you idiot?!....no prizes for making stupid illogical points I'm afraid... 

Lol I don't even think you know what you're arguing about anymore dogged. "hasn't tried to expand outside of australia" what a load of SH*T!!!

jim_57:

113 after RL started in England and 150 years after AFL was started in australia, who has come further in World expansion I wonder? hmmm

That is pretty much what it all boils down to, you are yapping on and on about AFL has been more sucessful in expansion, but you're forgeting the world doesn't stop on the australia coastline.

As for you ridiculing my list well I'll give you the liberty of naming some of them:

1. Australia - Hundreds and Hundreds
2. NZ - Same As Above
3. PNG - Stanley Gene, Makaili Aizue (Hull KR), Keith Peters, Paul Aiton (Penrith Panthers) many more
4. Tonga - Feltuli Talanoa, Manese Manufakoa (Souths), Jack Afamasanga, Andrew Emilio, many more
5. Fiji - Ashton Sims (Brisbane), John Sutton (Souths), Wes Naiqama (Knights), Aaron Groome (Bulldogs) many more.
6. Samoa - Nigel Vagana, Ali Lauatiti, Frank and Tony Puletua, Joe Vagana many more.
7. Cook Islands - Matt Rua (Storm) plus a few more.
8. Lebanon - George Ndaria (souths), Frank Samia (Dragons), Hazem El Masri & Robbie Farah (Not Sure of current but has in past), many more.
9. Russia - Not really in touch with russia - Roman Ovicnikov more
10. USA - Mat Petersen, Clint Newton, David Myles and more
11. Wales - Lie Briers, Iestyn Harris, Mark Lennon, so many more
12. Ireland - Micheal Platt, Chris Bridge, Pat Richards o many more
13. Scotland - Danny Brough, Scott Logan, Duncan MacGillivray so many more.
14. Portugal - Isaac De Gois (Sharks) thats all i know of but theres probably more.
15. Malta -  Ben and Jarrad Sammut, Michael Vella and more
16. France - lots and lots, Thomas Bosc, Gregory Mounis to name but a mere few.
17. England - Again hundreds
18. Greece - Nick Kouparitis (Bulldogs), John Skandalis and more.
19. Morrocco - Not sure here but a few from French LER other will know.

As i said there would be more...

Now just because i didn't name more doesn't mean there isn't more, so don't make me waste further time in extending that list, because if you do your homework you would have know the list was correct.

So you go on about "made moron up moron list moron i moron could moron do moron that moron you moron proved moron nothing moron. BTW you say moron alot ahahahahahahahahahahahah. So come on prove me wrong on this one then.

 

Just a few articles about AFL expanding outside of Australia

http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/04/21/afl-football-australia-is-not-enough/

http://www.henrythornton.com/article.asp?article_id=5033

http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20070503213728495

http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20080422071817225

http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/2008042118111016

 http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20080418090023210

But a few on the internet, som are opinions yes and some is news. So how can you say AFL isn't looking to expand beyond australia? Well i could have sworn different.

dogged:

and you back-slapping audience is even more deluded if they think you've made a decent point with your made up list

You know dogged, you'd be getting back slapped too if there were any other AFL fans stupid enough to come on here. Turns out you're the stupidest of a very stupid, narrow minded breed.

The trouble with the aussie rules game , it has no history, yes it has history in victoria, but apart from themselves, conceted as they are, nobody knows sweet f,,,alll about who there players are or what they have acheived, now if you think about rugby league and our history in new south wales and queensland, this is our history, and we will never learn their history and we just dont care.

See what your up against dogged, same as we are in victoria with our league expansion, but the beauty of our expansion into aderlaide and perth is these cities already have a history with league, like the gold coast has, and now is reaping the rewards. Come back in one hundred years and start this argument again dogged, by then someone might listen.

The only player any one in queensland knows is that wanker who king hit someone,.

hall, and jason akca dacamaness, and he left the sinking ship, hehe.

oikee:

The trouble with the aussie rules game , it has no history, yes it has history in victoria, but apart from themselves, conceted as they are, nobody knows sweet f,,,alll about who there players are or what they have acheived, now if you think about rugby league and our history in new south wales and queensland, this is our history, and we will never learn their history and we just dont care.

See what your up against dogged, same as we are in victoria with our league expansion, but the beauty of our expansion into aderlaide and perth is these cities already have a history with league, like the gold coast has, and now is reaping the rewards. Come back in one hundred years and start this argument again dogged, by then someone might listen.

The only player any one in queensland knows is that wanker who king hit someone,.

hall, and jason akca dacamaness, and he left the sinking ship, hehe.

RL history is sooooo much more than just Australia and england. You have NZ and how it was them that brought the great game down under, the history of the Game starting in fance and how it almost killed of RU there and if it wasn't for WW2 and the banning of the code by the Vischy Government (I wont; get into all this again) would be the biggest code there most probably. Italy and Yugoslavia in the 1950's taking the sport up. USSR in the 80's and now Russia has a pro comp established with the Ukraine, Estonia and Latvia also taking up the mantle. The USA also has a history from th 50's with the sport as does South africa with tets being played there befopre the apparteid years.

Rugby League has a rich and wonderful histor one that is not documented enough. if you get to read Sean Fagans stuff its pretty good and get your hands on Champagne Rugby which is a book on the history of the RL in France, well worth a read I am told.

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Just sticking with the one country - USA - and the one issue....name me ONE - only ONE USA player that earns a living playing RL....you carry on like there's all there professioanl competitions worldwide in countries in which players make a living playing RL yet can not name me ONE single player earning a living playing the game in USA....the players you've listed - Mat Petersen, Clint Newton, David Myles - do not play in the USA...not one...so please give a professional USA player...just ONE in the whole of USA...and tell me what he earns....come on - RL is going gangbusters in the USA isn't it!?

your list obviously includes players playing the NRL or the UK that you claim come from other countries....big deal.....or maybe they have a foreign ethnicity like some of the greeks you mentioned....this shows how very pathetic and desperate you are to claim the RL is international.......you are unable to name me even ONE professional player from the USA......and probably from most of the countries on your list....pathetic....pathetic but entirely expected - I'm asking you to do something i know you can't do....your list is bogus and you know it... 

yes so what do these links prove mate...read my last few posts you simlpeton - the AFL put a small amount of money into international operations but it is merely a token...it doesn't race around telling veryone iot has grand international plans and it doesn't spend serious money.....just becasue you say the AFL has international designs doesn't make it so - they have said publicly several times that whatever money is spent (very little) is proportionate....they throwing peanuts into this stuff and have no massive plans - other than maybe to discover the odd talented player to refer up the line....

where the AFL have and will invest very heavily is NSW/QLD where they are committing tens of millions annually over the short to medium term.....and they are prepared to suffer thehits as they grow gold caost and western sydney....they're in it for the long term and want to set up two more viable operations like lions and swans....and they'll do it too...even one of your own RL journalists agrees,,...

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/a-walk-in-the-park-for-aussie-rules/2008/02/19/1203190818840.html

 

 

 

Now if you looked closely dogged you would have found that i said that those countries can rely on pro players to play for their national team, not their domestic comps idiot. So stop accusing me of making sh*t up when i said nothing of the sort. RL is played professionally in 6 countries, not just england and australia. Well in that case look at most soccer teams, now most countries based in africa and asia there players come from the big leagues. Look at australia, 90% of their best team comes from overseas comps.

dogged:

yes so what do these links prove mate...read my last few posts you simlpeton - the AFL put a small amount of money into international operations but it is merely a token...it doesn't race around telling veryone iot has grand international plans and it doesn't spend serious money.....just becasue you say the AFL has international designs doesn't make it so - they have said publicly several times that whatever money is spent (very little) is proportionate....they throwing peanuts into this stuff and have no massive plans - other than maybe to discover the odd talented player to refer up the line....

where the AFL have and will invest very heavily is NSW/QLD where they are committing tens of millions annually over the short to medium term.....and they are prepared to suffer thehits as they grow gold caost and western sydney....they're in it for the long term and want to set up two more viable operations like lions and swans....and they'll do it too...even one of your own RL journalists agrees,,...

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/a-walk-in-the-park-for-aussie-rules/2008/02/19/1203190818840.html

Again you're gettiong forum posters and organisations mixed up. Now we're talking about RL world expansion because it is happening. The NRL have nothing to do with world expansion, the NRL is an australian comp, i think you will find the RLIF is in charge of world expansion, so get your facts right. Now when i refer to AFL wanting to expand to other countries im not talking about the Australia organisation AFL im talking about the game AFL. I think you'll find there is a difference. The NRL is not in charge of World expansion and neither is the AFL.

whatever mate...."rely on them"....whatever you say .....look without very much further effort i reckon it'd be very easy to whittle your small list of 6 countries down even further...

so what if a country's national team can rely on that person big deal - what does this tell us...all this this says is the RL is played in countries that have diverse populations bases- Aust, NZ and Englan all have diverse populations drawn from many couintire throuh migration....that is all you list tells us - not that these players made it as a professional level players in those local countires or that they played RL in those countries and advanced to NRL from those countries.... you've tried to use this historical accident (RL played in countires like Aust with diverse populations) to dishonestly imply that RL has this great reach when in fact it clearly does not....

if Australia wasn't a migrant based country you woudln't even have a *ull*hit story to be deluded about .....as it is that is all you have - a *ull*hit story about international expenasion that not even you really beleive...