Super Steve:

Rugby League also has a huge advantage in its expansion plans in that it is played in many countries internationally, something the AFL will never have.

Look, im sure your reply if you choose to even do that will be arrogant and maybe even insulting as they all have been so far. But maybe, just maybe you will act with a tiny bit of maturity. I have nothing against AFL, I watched it alot during the late 90's and I still watch it now when the Lions play. There is enough room in Australia for all the codes to grow and succeed.

Well steve, dogged doesn't seem to acknowledge that RL is played internationally. FFS RL has pro clubs in 6 countries but some how he thinks our international schedule is farcial. News flash dogged, wait, no i won't bother because you'd ignore it anyway. As for maturity, don't get your hopes up, the guys a idiot, and if it were up to him RL woulnd't be played anywhere and AFL would be all might conquerer of the Universe.

I have asked this before and wuil;l ask again dogged, what do you possibly hope to achieve on here? Seriously if you're trying to prove to us or yourself that AFL is better don't bother because you aren't going to convince us. As a matter of fact I think you would have turned everyone on this forum that had a remote interest in AFL away with your whinging. I know I used to not mind AFL, but now i won't watch another game or play again because you have showed me what narrow minded AFL supporting Victorians are like.

Please answer me this time, and don't just ignore what is a good question.

Kouta got at least 1 million and that was just what he over the table...carlton were notorious salary cap rorters so kouta would have received more than $1m easily in cars, shares, property and other things...trust me...and others like buckley, hird have also earned more than $1metc...and as will more AFL players to come to earn this...I notice you didn't try to name a RL player on even half of what Jonanthon currently earns - and this is not surprising becasue there is no RL player on this type of money...even in the heady days super-inflated SL years I think the biggest deal I heard was 750K per season....,..the point i was making by looking at salaries is that claims by some on this forum that AFL is going down the tubes is nonsense... 

Huge advantage? Really?! I'm glad you're convinced about that...RL's advantage in being played in more than one country is no advantage...to sports like RUnion and soccer clearly it is...but not for RL - it just isn't and it never will be....the last time i checked lawn bowls was played in more countries than aussie rules as well...so what...what exactly does this prove...

RL's so called World Cup can only be won by NZ, Australia or England - probably mostly Australia...how unexciting...really what sort of tournament is that!!...I have answered this before but if aussie rules had to choose between the domestic competition it has (truly national, expanding and vibrant) and no international game compared to the position of RL (NRL and English competitions with some other minor competitions in other countries ) there is no choice....AFL has a much better deal...if they could somehow trade positions with NRL they wouldn't...that's the bottom line...   

 

dogged:

Kouta got at least 1 million and that was just what he over the table...carlton were notorious salary cap rorters so kouta would have received more than $1m easily in cars, shares, property and other things...trust me...and others like buckley, hird have also earned more than $1metc...and as will more AFL players to come to earn this...I notice you didn't try to name a RL player on even half of what Jonanthon currently earns - and this is not surprising becasue there is no RL player on this type of money...even in the heady days super-inflated SL years I think the biggest deal I heard was 750K per season....,..the point i was making by looking at salaries is that claims by some on this forum that AFL is going down the tubes is nonsense... 

Huge advantage? Really?! I'm glad you're convinced about that...RL's advantage in being played in more than one country is no advantage...to sports like RUnion and soccer clearly it is...but not for RL - it just isn't and it never will be....the last time i checked lawn bowls was played in more countries than aussie rules as well...so what...what exactly does this prove...

RL's so called World Cup can only be won by NZ, Australia or England - probably mostly Australia...how unexciting...really what sort of tournament is that!!...I have answered this before but if aussie rules had to choose between the domestic competition it has (truly national, expanding and vibrant) and no international game compared to the position of RL (NRL and English competitions with some other minor competitions in other countries ) there is no choice....AFL has a much better deal...if they could somehow trade positions with NRL they wouldn't...that's the bottom line...   

You really are a knob head... why are you on here?

Go back to you little insular hole.

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Kouta got at least 1 million and that was just what he over the table...carlton were notorious salary cap rorters so kouta would have received more than $1m easily in cars, shares, property and other things...trust me...and others like buckley, hird have also earned more than $1metc...and as will more AFL players to come to earn this...I notice you didn't try to name a RL player on even half of what Jonanthon currently earns - and this is not surprising becasue there is no RL player on this type of money...even in the heady days super-inflated SL years I think the biggest deal I heard was 750K per season....,..the point i was making by looking at salaries is that claims by some on this forum that AFL is going down the tubes is nonsense... 

Huge advantage? Really?! I'm glad you're convinced about that...RL's advantage in being played in more than one country is no advantage...to sports like RUnion and soccer clearly it is...but not for RL - it just isn't and it never will be....the last time i checked lawn bowls was played in more countries than aussie rules as well...so what...what exactly does this prove...

RL's so called World Cup can only be won by NZ, Australia or England - probably mostly Australia...how unexciting...really what sort of tournament is that!!...I have answered this before but if aussie rules had to choose between the domestic competition it has (truly national, expanding and vibrant) and no international game compared to the position of RL (NRL and English competitions with some other minor competitions in other countries ) there is no choice....AFL has a much better deal...if they could somehow trade positions with NRL they wouldn't...that's the bottom line...   

 

hmmm again you ignore the question. Seriously come on answer i bet you can't find a decent answer.

 Oh and BTW when AFL has a WC where 3 teams can win give us a post. Infact I would say 4 teams can, Look at the RUWC how many teams can win that? NZ, South Africa, Austrarlia, France, England... that's it really, i woiuld say Ireland and Wales have about as much chance of winning the RUWC than Tonga have of winning our's. As for soccer, only 8 or so teams could realistically win that WC and they are "the world game". RL is played and enjoyed by millions and millions more people than AFL is. AFL has pro clubs in 1 country, we have 6! So how can you possibly critise RL's International scene when you're game is only played at a decent level in Australia. I say it's about even between popularity of AFL and NRL in Australia whether you agree or not. On the international scene however it is RL then daylight to AFL. What I don't understand is how you can talk down International RL when you're game is probably one of the least played sports outside of australia, and before you use that NFL is only played in one country, BULLSH*T NFL is played in widely across the world.

dogged:

RL's so called World Cup can only be won by NZ, Australia or England - probably mostly Australia...how unexciting...really what sort of tournament is that!!...

Actually France, Tonga and PNG have good shot too, How is having only three team possibly win it not exciting... its probably the closest WC we will have in a long time. OK even if it is 3-4 countries that can win it 30-40% of the tournament, look at the RU, only about 4-5 countries can win that realistically, England, SA, Aus, NZ and France, to that is about 25%, in soccer you get only about 6-8 countries that can win the tournie from 32, ~25%, Cricket WC, Australia, India, SA and Pakistan tend to be the only ones in a shot again 25% of the tournie, you getting the picture, all world cups only have a small number of possibilities and the rest essentailly make up the numbers... whats your point here.

dogged:

 

I have answered this before but if aussie rules had to choose between the domestic competition it has (truly national, expanding and vibrant) and no international game compared to the position of RL (NRL and English competitions with some other minor competitions in other countries ) there is no choice....AFL has a much better deal...if they could somehow trade positions with NRL they wouldn't...that's the bottom line...   

... and that is why you are doomed if that is your attitude. Mr D aint saying it but he's seeing the writing on the wall and is looking for ways out... but fan and club attitudes like yours are what is smothering your game... RL fans can be insular but nothing like what AFL fans are I can see now.

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jim - i dont' even know what you're asking...look if you get excited about RL's international presence good for you. No matter how good you say international RL is now - or how much you delude yourself it will great in the future - I just wouldn't trade it for the AFL's 18 team national competition that will be in place in 2012... even if the AFL could trade they wouldn't go for what RL has...  

AFL WC?...why bring up that up? as i've said before the AFL international rules series is a fun amatuer event,...nobody takes it seriously - not even the AFL ...probably the international players themselves take it the most seriously but even they are only amatuer with day jobs etc....it's just done for a laugh....as the RL WC should be also - after all it is not serious is it?

before someone chimes in about the South African camps - yes the AFL is over in South African communities holding some camps for kids - and yes some Africans have actually trialed with AFL teams...but again, this is all done for a bit of fun and maybe if a talented player jumps out they will get a chance - after all some Africans are suited games like AFL and basketball....   

you seem to think aussie rules desires to be played internationally at a professional level,...does gaelic football desire this?? does american football desire this??...in fact most sports do not even desire this and are happy to thrive domestically...your have a misplaced delusion about RL international expansion potential and a misunderstanding that other sports share the 'international expansion' imperative....newsflash kabra - they don't...so get over it...

I have asked this before and wuil;l ask again dogged, what do you possibly hope to achieve on here? Seriously if you're trying to prove to us or yourself that AFL is better don't bother because you aren't going to convince us. As a matter of fact I think you would have turned everyone on this forum that had a remote interest in AFL away with your whinging. I know I used to not mind AFL, but now i won't watch another game or play again because you have showed me what narrow minded AFL supporting Victorians are like.

Please answer me this time, and don't just ignore what is a good question

what am i doing? well what are you doing? i'm expressing my opinion about the topic...and not watching an AFL game because of what i wrote? that's a bit odd - why let my words stop you watching something you say you do not mind...wow i didn't realise i had that sort of power over you all through what i write in a forum...i can actually influence you not to watch a sport you otherwise think is not bad....all because of a few lines in a forum...i wonder what else i can get you to do?... 

dogged:

I have asked this before and wuil;l ask again dogged, what do you possibly hope to achieve on here? Seriously if you're trying to prove to us or yourself that AFL is better don't bother because you aren't going to convince us. As a matter of fact I think you would have turned everyone on this forum that had a remote interest in AFL away with your whinging. I know I used to not mind AFL, but now i won't watch another game or play again because you have showed me what narrow minded AFL supporting Victorians are like.

Please answer me this time, and don't just ignore what is a good question

what am i doing? well what are you doing? i'm expressing my opinion about the topic...and not watching an AFL game because of what i wrote? that's a bit odd - why let my words stop you watching something you say you do not mind...wow i didn't realise i had that sort of power over you all through what i write in a forum...i can actually influence you not to watch a sport you otherwise think is not bad....all because of a few lines in a forum...i wonder what else i can get you to do?... 

 

OK then express an opinion on this :

 

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23583125-10389,00.html

 

AFL needs to find $200 million of its own money to get a team in the gc which is where the titans are today.

 

Good Luck.

 

 

Just to put things into perspective, here is a summary of the most recent weeks Pay TV numbers.  with AFL, union and RL all shown at times head to head and to a national audience, how did the results fare :

 

Summary of Pay TV ratings last week.

1st NRL = 1.835 million viewers
2nd = Daylight
3rd AFL = .802 million viewers
4th = Daylight

5th RU = 0.389 million viewers

 

RL got over 1 million more viewers than AFL last week, and 1.5 million more than union.  we more than doubled AFLs viewing and more than quadrupled unions.

 

and those figures are fairly typical with RL occupying the top 4 spots in Pay TV every week.

 

for a sport which claims to be national, AFL sure doesnt have too many people watching it on tv 

dogged:

jim - i dont' even know what you're asking...look if you get excited about RL's international presence good for you. No matter how good you say international RL is now - or how much you delude yourself it will great in the future - I just wouldn't trade it for the AFL's 18 team national competition that will be in place in 2012... even if the AFL could trade they wouldn't go for what RL has...  

AFL WC?...why bring up that up? as i've said before the AFL international rules series is a fun amatuer event,...nobody takes it seriously - not even the AFL ...probably the international players themselves take it the most seriously but even they are only amatuer with day jobs etc....it's just done for a laugh....as the RL WC should be also - after all it is not serious is it?

before someone chimes in about the South African camps - yes the AFL is over in South African communities holding some camps for kids - and yes some Africans have actually trialed with AFL teams...but again, this is all done for a bit of fun and maybe if a talented player jumps out they will get a chance - after all some Africans are suited games like AFL and basketball....   

you seem to think aussie rules desires to be played internationally at a professional level,...does gaelic football desire this?? does american football desire this??...in fact most sports do not even desire this and are happy to thrive domestically...your have a misplaced delusion about RL international expansion potential and a misunderstanding that other sports share the 'international expansion' imperative....newsflash kabra - they don't...so get over it...

 

hey deads**t, if you are so happy with the state of AFL, what the feck are you doing on a website devoted to RL.  smacks of insecurity to me.  when reminded of how small AFL is, you turn bitter.

 

i never go onto AFL sites, but im confident of where the NRL is going.

 

judging by the problems of the AFLs gold coast bid, id be worried too if i were an AFL fan.

 

thankfully we have david gallop who actually does more on expansion rather than talking BS about it 

every RL website you go to you see AFL fans wasting space.  clearly the position of RL as the number 1 football code in australia is a source of much embarrasment and jealousy.

bad luck guys 

dallymessenger:

dogged:

I have asked this before and wuil;l ask again dogged, what do you possibly hope to achieve on here? Seriously if you're trying to prove to us or yourself that AFL is better don't bother because you aren't going to convince us. As a matter of fact I think you would have turned everyone on this forum that had a remote interest in AFL away with your whinging. I know I used to not mind AFL, but now i won't watch another game or play again because you have showed me what narrow minded AFL supporting Victorians are like.

Please answer me this time, and don't just ignore what is a good question

what am i doing? well what are you doing? i'm expressing my opinion about the topic...and not watching an AFL game because of what i wrote? that's a bit odd - why let my words stop you watching something you say you do not mind...wow i didn't realise i had that sort of power over you all through what i write in a forum...i can actually influence you not to watch a sport you otherwise think is not bad....all because of a few lines in a forum...i wonder what else i can get you to do?... 

 

OK then express an opinion on this :

 

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23583125-10389,00.html

 

AFL needs to find $200 million of its own money to get a team in the gc which is where the titans are today.

 

Good Luck.

I would hazzard a guess that similar figures would be in line for a Sydney club.

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Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones dogged. You cannot credibly critise RL expansion when the AFL has failed to expand outside of VICtoria, WA and SA succesfully let alone any other country. Let's count RL playing nations that can rely on Professional players to turn out when they play.

1. Australia
2. NZ
3. PNG
4. Tonga
5. Fiji
6. Samoa
7. Cook Islands
8. Lebanon
9. Russia
10. USA
11. Wales
12. Ireland
13. Scotland
14. Portugal
15. Malta
16. France
17. England
18. Greece
19. Morrocco

There is proably more, now RL countries that can rely on Semi-Pro players

1. Serbia
2. Japan
3. South Africa
4. Italy

the list could go on an on.

Ok add to that RL is played professionally and smi-pro in over 10 countries, i'm not sure of the exact amount.

Just because you tell yourself you don't want AFL played internationally doesn't mean the AFL does, last time i checked you weren't the AFL. Why do you think AFL does things like play in UAE and take camps to SA to try to expand, if they didn't have interest of expanding they wouldn't bother now would they?

 Why did I bring up the AFL WC? well because you were critisising the RLWC weren't you? so you're allowed to make straight out BS comments about the RLWC when you're WC is a laughing stock. FFS a Regional team from Queensland could win the thing. Like I said live in a glass house, don't throw stones.

"AFL would not trade their 18 team comp for everything RL has" lol now that is the stupidest thing you have ever said. Again "you" wouln't and the last time i checked you weren't the AFL. Unless, is that you Demetrio? if it is don't be afraid to tell us, come on. The AFL would like to expand outside of Australia i bet.

 Since this is an "expansion" thread i will remind you that expansion does not stop at the Coast of Australia. So in hind sight in the 113 after RL started in England and 150 years after AFL was started in australia, who has come further in World expansion I wonder? hmmm

 

jim_57:

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones dogged. You cannot credibly critise RL expansion when the AFL has failed to expand outside of VICtoria, WA and SA succesfully let alone any other country. Let's count RL playing nations that can rely on Professional players to turn out when they play.

1. Australia
2. NZ
3. PNG
4. Tonga
5. Fiji
6. Samoa
7. Cook Islands
8. Lebanon
9. Russia
10. USA
11. Wales
12. Ireland
13. Scotland
14. Portugal
15. Malta
16. France
17. England
18. Greece
19. Morrocco

There is proably more, now RL countries that can rely on Semi-Pro players

1. Serbia
2. Japan
3. South Africa
4. Italy

the list could go on an on.

Ok add to that RL is played professionally and smi-pro in over 10 countries, i'm not sure of the exact amount.

Just because you tell yourself you don't want AFL played internationally doesn't mean the AFL does, last time i checked you weren't the AFL. Why do you think AFL does things like play in UAE and take camps to SA to try to expand, if they didn't have interest of expanding they wouldn't bother now would they?

 Why did I bring up the AFL WC? well because you were critisising the RLWC weren't you? so you're allowed to make straight out BS comments about the RLWC when you're WC is a laughing stock. FFS a Regional team from Queensland could win the thing. Like I said live in a glass house, don't throw stones.

"AFL would not trade their 18 team comp for everything RL has" lol now that is the stupidest thing you have ever said. Again "you" wouln't and the last time i checked you weren't the AFL. Unless, is that you Demetrio? if it is don't be afraid to tell us, come on. The AFL would like to expand outside of Australia i bet.

 Since this is an "expansion" thread i will remind you that expansion does not stop at the Coast of Australia. So in hind sight in the 113 after RL started in England and 150 years after AFL was started in australia, who has come further in World expansion I wonder? hmmm

C'moooooon!    Game set and Match !

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on the viewing habits of australians, here is a little comparison of the footy codes.

 

RL vs AFL.

each week of the season the nrl has around 500,000 extra viewers across FTA capitals and regionals, plus Pay TV.

500,000 * 26 = 13,000,000

the nrl has a longer season than AFL by 3 rounds, each week that RL is on that AFL isnt = 3.3 million x 3 = 10 million

Origin = 10 million

Test matches / city / country etc = 5 million 

So each season RL has 38 million more viewers than AwFuL.

trying not to laugh as i do union :

each week RL has 3.2 million more viewers than union across TV, 3.2 million * 26 = 83 million
the S14 season is only 14 rounds vs 26 for AFL = 12 rounds extra * 3.5 million = 42 million
Origin / tests over union = 5 million

So each season RL has 130 million more viewers than union

Summary :

RL advantage over AwFuL = 38 million 

RL advantage over union = 130 million