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bad news for tonga.......again

Last post 25-06-2008, 8:30 AM by eastlondonmike. 28 replies.
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  •  30-04-2008, 7:07 AM 268084 in reply to 267865

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    Mateo forced to declare his allegiance

    Jamie Pandaram and Brad Walter | April 30, 2008

    CITY Origin star Feleti Mateo has been told to formally swap his allegiances from Tonga to Australia within the next week or he will not be considered for NSW selection this season.

    After being chosen on the bench for Friday night's annual clash with Country, the Parramatta utility has been given until the next International Federation board meeting in Sydney on May 8 to declare his loyalty to Australia in writing after helping Tonga qualify for the end-of-season World Cup.

    Matt Utai yesterday submitted an application to the RLIF to change his allegiances from New Zealand to Samoa and his Bulldogs teammates Reni Maitua and Willie Tonga are understood to be considering similar action - although both still have Origin aspirations.

    Maitua and Tonga can wait until the end of the season as they have already represented Australia but Mateo will be forced to make a decision now as he does not qualify for the Kangaroos.

    "This situation has arisen because Feleti Mateo has represented Tonga at Test level but he has since expressed a desire to be considered for NSW, and to play State of Origin you must be available for Australian selection," NSWRL general manager Geoff Carr said.

    "We have contacted his club to check that is what he wants to do and on that basis he was chosen for the City-Country match as the next meeting of the International Federation wasn't scheduled until May 8 and we felt it would be unfair to jeopardise his Origin chances because of that.

    "But Feleti can't then decide to wait and see if he is picked for NSW, he has to make an application before the May 8 meeting or he won't be considered for selection. That's fine if that's what he decides to do, he can then play for Tonga at the World Cup."

    Mateo was pleased to learn his City selection wouldn't preclude him from playing for Tonga but said his goal was to represent NSW and Australia.

    "I would prefer Australia, and Origin. But if I don't get picked it would still be an honour to play for Tonga," he said. "It has been a long ride for Tonga trying to get into the World Cup, and they're finally there. If I can't play it would be disappointing, but then again if I play for Australia it would be a great achievement."

    The debate over whether to allow players from other nations to compete in Origin is not new, but in this case the line is blurred because the eligibility laws run in World Cup cycles, meaning that after this year's tournament player representations are wiped clean.

    So Mateo can't play for NSW and then Tonga this year, but if he chooses not to switch allegiances to Australia this season he would still be eligible for Origin in 2009 and beyond.

    "I didn't think I'd be doing this last year, making a team like [City]," Mateo said. "It's always good to hear people saying stuff like that, but the key is being humble. You can't forget where you come from and who is behind you, and letting your head get too big. That's the most important thing and that's what I like to pride myself on, being humble. I let my footy do the talking."

    The tug-of-war over Mateo has prompted Tonga coach Jim Dymock, who wants the Eels star as his five-eighth in the World Cup if he fails to make the Kangaroos side, to last night call for exceptions to be made in the game's centenary year.

    "Come on, we're celebrating 100 years," Dymock said. "The fans want to see the best players in the World Cup, people want to see NRL players playing. Playing for Australia, New Zealand, or England, we don't want to take that away. Players should still strive for that - what we're asking is that players who don't make those sides be allowed to play for Tonga or Samoa.

    "Everyone wants to see a good competition. At the end of the day, we're going to give teams a fright."

     

    feleti is a d!ck....so is jim dymock 

  •  30-04-2008, 7:56 AM 268097 in reply to 268084

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    insert here .... banging my head against a brick wall.


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  •  30-04-2008, 8:46 AM 268124 in reply to 268097

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    "I would prefer Australia, and Origin. But if I don't get picked it would still be an honour to play for Tonga," he said. "It has been a long ride for Tonga trying to get into the World Cup, and they're finally there. If I can't play it would be disappointing, but then again if I play for Australia it would be a great achievement."

     thats the bit that gets me....so if he's good enough he wants to play for australia...but if he's not he wants to play for tonga....

     

    what a tw@t
     

  •  30-04-2008, 9:21 AM 268130 in reply to 268124

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    Its all well and good for us to bang on about countrries playing this and that, but look at the attitude the players have, that's what needs to be changed... I saw this in the Kiwi camp last year.

    Origin as good as it is has been an absolute disaster for IRL.


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  •  30-04-2008, 12:46 PM 268158 in reply to 268084

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    spud:

    "Come on, we're celebrating 100 years," Dymock said. "The fans want to see the best players in the World Cup, people want to see NRL players playing. Playing for Australia, New Zealand, or England, we don't want to take that away. Players should still strive for that - what we're asking is that players who don't make those sides be allowed to play for Tonga or Samoa.

    "Everyone wants to see a good competition. At the end of the day, we're going to give teams a fright."

    He should be sacked as tonga coach for that comment, or fined at least.

     On a lighter note, maitua and tonga swiching? well that's alright news i suppose, tonga to tonga and maitua to samoa am i right? Also that means esi tonga should play for tonga aswell and charlie tonga, also I pretty sure michael jennings is available.

  •  01-05-2008, 9:12 AM 268430 in reply to 268158

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    no.. i'm sure they have both gone for samoa? or is it maitua & utai that have gone for samoa


     

  •  01-05-2008, 2:34 PM 268542 in reply to 268430

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    spud:

    no.. i'm sure they have both gone for samoa? or is it maitua & utai that have gone for samoa

    I think it's maitua and utai to samoa and tonga to tonga. I'm sure Willie tonga is eligable for tonga and havn't heard anything about him being eligable for samoa. Hopefully tonga will play for tonga, they need to get some quality back after mateo has gone, also get esi tonga (brother [I think]) and charlie tonga (cousin [I think]). Would be great for tonga to get young esi in there since he's young and hopefully could play out his career with tonga. Also Jennings is eligable so hopefully he'll play too. But more importantly hopefully everyone that plays will STAY after the WC.

  •  03-05-2008, 5:07 PM 269703 in reply to 267243

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    It is a myth that NZRU poaches polynesian players from the islands, NZ has the largest polynesian population in the world, and therefore a huge pool to draw from and a large percentage are either 1st generation or have moved to NZ when they were young,  I know of or have not heard of any recruitment program to the islands by any union, to "poach" players.  These players elect to play for NZ out of choice as is their right as new zealanders or they can play for their island home/parental origin. 

  •  05-05-2008, 5:32 AM 270562 in reply to 269703

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    nobody has a problem with these players opting for NZ or indeed australia it's the switching that i and lot of us have a problem with polymacca
  •  06-05-2008, 10:29 AM 271129 in reply to 268542

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    jim_57:
    spud:

    no.. i'm sure they have both gone for samoa? or is it maitua & utai that have gone for samoa

    I think it's maitua and utai to samoa and tonga to tonga. I'm sure Willie tonga is eligable for tonga and havn't heard anything about him being eligable for samoa. Hopefully tonga will play for tonga, they need to get some quality back after mateo has gone, also get esi tonga (brother [I think]) and charlie tonga (cousin [I think]). Would be great for tonga to get young esi in there since he's young and hopefully could play out his career with tonga. Also Jennings is eligable so hopefully he'll play too. But more importantly hopefully everyone that plays will STAY after the WC.

     

    thats the problem. none of the mentioned players would stay on after the world cup if selected for australia. maitua has been in the press before saying he has no interest in playing for samoa because he is australian, and jennings has knocked back tonga and nz before as he is also australian. tonga is a former aussie rep who is not quite good enough for origin and aussie selection because of the current quality or players. it would be a joke if any of these players turn out for one of the island nations. we need to stop this switching and stop looking for the short answer in place of developing national teams and having legitimate national teams.

  •  13-05-2008, 10:33 AM 275163 in reply to 271129

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    THE TONGANS -

    1. Fetuli Talanoa (available)

    2. Taniela Tuiaki (unavailable - NZ) / Sam Huihahau (in his place)

    3. Michael Jennings (available)

    4. Willie Tonga (available)

    5. Manu Vatuvei (unavailable - NZ) / Esi Tonga (in his place)

    6. Feleti Mateo (available)

    7. Eddie Paea (available)

    8. Brent Kite (unavailable - AUSTRALIA) / Antonio Kaufusi (in his place)

    9. Tevita Leo-Latu (available)

    10. Fuifui Moimoi (unavailable - NZ) / Lopini Paea (in his place)

    11. Willie Mason (unavailable - AUSTRALIA) / Richard Fa'aoso (in his place)

    12. Anthony Tupou (unavailable - AUSTRALIA) / Epalahame Lauaki (in his place)

    13. Willie Tupou (available)

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  •  13-05-2008, 8:06 PM 275302 in reply to 275163

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    THE TONGANS -

    1. Fetuli Talanoa (available)

    2. Taniela Tuiaki (unavailable - NZ) / Sam Huihahau (in his place)

    3. Michael Jennings (available)

    4. Willie Tonga (available)

    5. Manu Vatuvei (unavailable - NZ) / Esi Tonga (in his place)

    6. Feleti Mateo (available)

    7. Eddie Paea (available)

    8. Brent Kite (unavailable - AUSTRALIA) / Antonio Kaufusi (in his place)

    9. Tevita Leo-Latu (available)

    10. Fuifui Moimoi (unavailable - NZ) / Lopini Paea (in his place)

    11. Willie Mason (unavailable - AUSTRALIA) / Richard Fa'aoso (in his place)

    12. Anthony Tupou (unavailable - AUSTRALIA) / Epalahame Lauaki (in his place)

    13. Willie Tupou (available)

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    16. ...

    17. ..

    How does this work with Fuifui & Tuiaki both played for Tonga last year in the wc qualifier then both got picked and played for NZ the very next year ? now if they don't make the kiwis then they can't play for Tonga ?? just don't get it ......

  •  23-06-2008, 2:04 AM 296777 in reply to 275302

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    New article on website about this.

     With a full side Tonga seem a much better prospect than the $251-1 the TAB has them at.
     

  •  25-06-2008, 8:30 AM 297691 in reply to 296777

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    when someone is in charge of the international game that has some b0llocks, then these ridiculous rules might get sorted.. i dont understand why they simply cannot introduce a rule/law, that you must declare your national ellegibility when signing your first pro contract.. but also allow players to switch allegiance to other nations that they qualify for if theyve never represented any other country, but once they have made the switch, they cannot change again. its not difficult..

     

    jim dymocks qoutes are a joke.. pr*ck. 

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